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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 17, 2021 17:33:58 GMT -8
Have a few more... Argema mimosae (male) (Kenya, bred, 2019) + Saturnia (Perisomena) caecigena (2 males) (Greece, bred, 2019) Actias luna (male) (Summer form) (Illinois, Wild capture, 2019) Actias luna (male) (Spring form) (Illinois, Wild capture, 2000) Attacus lorquini (male) (Philippines, bred, 2019) Anisota dissimilis (Pair) *Once owned but, sacrificed in a trade with a friend who put them in a riker frame...
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 17, 2021 17:54:45 GMT -8
Oh' still another I overlooked... Callosamia angulifera (female) (Illinois, Wild caught, 2019)
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Post by Paul K on Oct 17, 2021 20:56:24 GMT -8
Have a few more... Argema mimosae (male) (Kenya, bred, 2019) + Saturnia (Perisomena) caecigena (2 males) (Greece, bred, 2019) Actias luna (male) (Summer form) (Illinois, Wild capture, 2019) Actias luna (male) (Spring form) (Illinois, Wild capture, 2000) Attacus lorquini (male) (Philippines, bred, 2019) Anisota dissimilis (Pair) *Once owned but, sacrificed in a trade with a friend who put them in a riker frame... What is this dark female Pieris? Is it oleracea ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 21:06:02 GMT -8
My worldwide is merely representative ( I did sell off the bulk of my worldwide material ) and is not as thorough as my US stuff, but I do love the Sats. C. manana is a fav as is P. cinerascens and appolina. The C. troetschi we’re caught by my buddy and the female at left is a true prize.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 21:06:34 GMT -8
Here is another. E trimeni is a favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 21:08:47 GMT -8
More from Africa.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 21:09:28 GMT -8
I loved reading these guys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 21:11:12 GMT -8
My huge caezar…..US stuff to follow. Attachments:
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 19, 2021 10:22:52 GMT -8
Hello Bill,
You have a wonderful selection of things there still remaining.
I am particularly curious as to the outspread wing measurements of that Attacus caesar. Also the measurements of your Coscinocera hercules.
My largest saturniid is my C. hercules and it's outstretched wings measure 216 mm.
My second largest is an A. attacus at 206 mm.
I have never achieved getting an A. caesar. Had a couple opportunities but, the specimens were just not in great shape.
Peigler states in his book "Attacus" that of all the numerous species and specimens which he looked over at various museums; Attacus Caesar was consistently the largest species (on average) of the lot. In terms of sheer wing expanse.
Thank you for investigating.
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Post by panacanthus on Oct 19, 2021 10:53:19 GMT -8
Hello Bill, You have a wonderful selection of things there still remaining. I am particularly curious as to the outspread wing measurements of that Attacus caesar. Also the measurements of your Coscinocera hercules. My largest saturniid is my C. hercules and it's outstretched wings measure 216 mm. My second largest is an A. attacus at 206 mm. I have never achieved getting an A. caesar. Had a couple opportunities but, the specimens were just not in great shape. Peigler states in his book "Attacus" that of all the numerous species and specimens which he looked over at various museums; Attacus Caesar was consistently the largest species (on average) of the lot. In terms of sheer wing expanse. Thank you for investigating. I’m also very interested in the size of the female C. hercules but could we possibly share single wing size from joint to tip of wing? Wingspan doesn’t help me too much unless you mean your measurement would be the size with the wings at the angle in which you would get the maximum possible dimension, such as longest possible measurement of each wing plus body width. In the case of C. hercules it would also be interesting to know the “length” of those enormous hindwings. Sorry if I’m missing something. I’m just not real clear on exactly what “outstretched” means! I assume you just mean spread but this can vary quite a bit.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 19, 2021 10:54:50 GMT -8
I see that you also achieved getting Leopa oburthuri and M. menippe from South Africa !
Both are very good finds and don't get offered very often.
I'm quite happy in getting my L. oburthuri however, I may never find M. menippe available.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 19, 2021 13:21:11 GMT -8
"My use" of the term outstretched refers to the sheer wing expanse of something from wingtip to wingtip; taking into consideration whatever the width of the body may be.
If a specimen has been properly prepared in a full flight position with a trailing edges of the fore wings at the perpendicular; then there should be no misunderstanding of the measurement.
Falsehoods occur when specimens are improperly spread and wing angles are less than the perpendicular. This has occurred many times with specimens of Thysania agrippina.
Large examples of that species can indeed be in excess of 12 in. (wingtip to wingtip) when the moth is at rest ! Some collectors even spread them that way in their collections. However, raise those wings to a full flight position and they simply don't measure that.
I "prefer" to (carefully) hold a ruler above my specimens and "eyeball" the increments I see; and I check at least two times to be certain. For me, removing a specimen from the drawer and then checking the wing measurement is risky for damage reasons and too much trouble.
Scientifically speaking, you are very much correct in doing the measurement from the base of the body to the wing tip.
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