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Post by exoticimports on Nov 15, 2021 19:03:03 GMT -8
What are commonly set upside down? Delias. Some Caligo. Which others?
Building on that, and asking a second time since I didn’t like the first answer, any good reason not to set my Papilio glaucus upside down? All the morphology is on the verso. Getting tired of taking them out and flipping them over. It’s not like ALL leps are set recto up.
For that matter, seems like Lycaenidae would also be good candidates.
Chuck
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Post by eurytides on Nov 15, 2021 19:18:05 GMT -8
I do a mix, doesn’t matter what species. If I have only have 1 or 2, I mount them like “normal.” If I have multiple pairs, I set some ventral and some dorsal for exactly your reasoning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 20:17:38 GMT -8
I do a mix, doesn’t matter what species. If I have only have 1 or 2, I mount them like “normal.” If I have multiple pairs, I set some ventral and some dorsal for exactly your reasoning. +1 |
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 15, 2021 23:22:17 GMT -8
I had an extensive collection on Lycaenidae and would mount a specimen of every species upside down. The ventral side is more important than the dorsal. Every species that keeps sitting with closed wings has more information in the ventral than the dorsal. That is true for nearly all Lycaenidae.
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Post by africaone on Nov 16, 2021 3:07:26 GMT -8
Charaxes, Euphaedra, Cigaritis, Aphnaeus, many African Graphium, Otroeda, ....
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Post by gaspipe on Nov 16, 2021 4:54:08 GMT -8
Good topic . I always have a representative of all species mounted mounted both ways for males and females . I just think it’s more interesting and esthetic and in the case of some species the best ( only?) way to tell them apart.
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Post by gaspipe on Nov 16, 2021 4:57:06 GMT -8
I had an extensive collection on Lycaenidae and would mount a specimen of every species upside down. The ventral side is more important than the dorsal. Every species that keeps sitting with closed wings has more information in the ventral than the dorsal. That is true for nearly all Lycaenidae. Sometime post photos of your NA collection. Love to see them. |
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Post by mothman55 on Nov 16, 2021 5:38:07 GMT -8
I had an extensive collection on Lycaenidae and would mount a specimen of every species upside down. The ventral side is more important than the dorsal. Every species that keeps sitting with closed wings has more information in the ventral than the dorsal. That is true for nearly all Lycaenidae. Sometime post photos of your NA collection. Love to see them. Agree, would love to see some drawers of NA Lycaenidae. And as many are a dull brown on the dorsal, I also mount some ventral side up. |
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Post by jshuey on Nov 16, 2021 5:45:32 GMT -8
What are commonly set upside down? Delias. Some Caligo. Which others? Building on that, and asking a second time since I didn’t like the first answer, any good reason not to set my Papilio glaucus upside down? All the morphology is on the verso. Getting tired of taking them out and flipping them over. It’s not like ALL leps are set recto up. For that matter, seems like Lycaenidae would also be good candidates. Chuck Personally - none! John |
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Post by Paul K on Nov 16, 2021 6:18:58 GMT -8
I think most of butterflies should be set verso up but personally I dislike this idea (don’t ask me why).
Moths on the other hand all recto up, definitely.
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Post by jhyatt on Nov 16, 2021 7:36:49 GMT -8
I once asked Lee Miller what he thought about mounting specimens upside down, and he said "I don't see any need to. If you want to see the underside, they're not too heavy to pick up and look at it!".
On the other hand, J. F. Gates Clarke said in response to the same question, "They're your specimens, you caught them, they're in your collection, and as far as I'm concerned, any way you want to mount and display them is just fine!"
Personally I lean toward Gates Clarke's viewpoint.
Cheers,
jh
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Post by eurytides on Nov 16, 2021 8:13:44 GMT -8
There is practical convenience in being able to examine a specimen without having to pick it up. Accidents happen.
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 16, 2021 13:01:24 GMT -8
I have to go examine several hundred specimens that are recto up, meaning some I’ll have to pull out and flip to examine. slow and risky
For my glaucus, all the study is on the verso so I think I’ll set them upside down unless anyone has a great reason not to.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 17, 2021 1:20:25 GMT -8
The Rothschild Collection in BMNH has glass bottomed drawers with cork strips fixed inside to pin the specimens.
That is one way to look at the undersides without taking the specimens out of the drawers.
Adam.
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Post by bobw on Nov 17, 2021 6:02:03 GMT -8
Part of my job at BMNH is merging specimens from all the different collections into one, so only some groups are in the original Rothschild drawers. Also, they are doing away with the glass-bottomed drawers, and as they are emptied they are renovated, adding a plywood base with plastazote. The glass bottomed drawers are simply too heavy!
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