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Post by Crake on Nov 24, 2021 15:27:27 GMT -8
Hi all.
I've got 40 overwintering P. clodius eggs and want to get them hatching before everything goes nuts for the holidays. My only hostplant (Dicentra formosa) is depressingly stunted, but I do have several large Fumaria capreolata plants growing in my front yard. Does anyone know if clodius will accept fumaria?
Thanks.
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Post by kevinkk on Nov 25, 2021 22:16:08 GMT -8
My copy of Tyler's Swallowtails of North America lists stonecrop (sedum sp.) I caught clodius here at home this summer and we have no bleeding heart,
but lots of sedum sp.-
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Post by mikeh on Nov 25, 2021 23:42:15 GMT -8
My copy of Tyler's Swallowtails of North America lists stonecrop (sedum sp.) I caught clodius here at home this summer and we have no bleeding heart, but lots of sedum sp.- Sedum should be the foodplant of smintheus, not clodius. |
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Post by Crake on Nov 28, 2021 20:45:49 GMT -8
My copy of Tyler's Swallowtails of North America lists stonecrop (sedum sp.) I caught clodius here at home this summer and we have no bleeding heart, but lots of sedum sp.- Sedum should be the foodplant of smintheus, not clodius. I know Parnassius apollo and a few other holarctic parnassinae eat succulent plants. Is s mintheus more closely related to the european species? I'm gonna give it a shot with fumaria; I've recieved some anecdotal evidence of people rearing the driopa subgenus on it, as it is very closely related to Dicentra. |
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Post by kevinkk on Nov 29, 2021 8:32:31 GMT -8
Well, maybe Tyler is mistaken and never reared the species, my other books which some of which are Northwest specific don't list sedum sp. for clodius, personally, I don't know, never having reared them. I just thought I could believe everything I read...  |
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Post by Crake on Nov 29, 2021 11:53:09 GMT -8
Well, maybe Tyler is mistaken and never reared the species, my other books which some of which are Northwest specific don't list sedum sp. for clodius, personally, I don't know, never having reared them. I just thought I could believe everything I read... I wish clodius ate sedum sp., as it is very hard to get Fumarioideae to grow in the cental valley where humidity is low year-round and temps get up to 110*F in the summer. Doesn't Dicentra formosa grow pretty well around the pacific northwest? |
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Post by kevinkk on Nov 29, 2021 16:56:22 GMT -8
It does, we just don't have any here at home, or in what is left of the forest after it was turned into short term rentals.
I did catch clodius this summer here in my yard, and there were several "got aways" perhaps someone nearby has bleeding heart
in their garden, Parnassius just doesn't seem like a strong flier as far as distance.
I normally see Parnassius in mid summer outside of town, or in the local hills, catching them here was unusual, I'd never seen them
at home before, I live within earshot and sight of the ocean.
110 f would probably kill us.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 29, 2021 17:22:56 GMT -8
Funny, I've always thought of Apollo's as being Alpine butterflies or mountain butterflies (for lack of another term). I would never imagine you could find them flying about the yards of a coastal town on our West Coast.
When you mention the term "hills"that makes me think of something like foothills; which approach true mountain ranges.
I have a half a dozen specimens of P. smintheus from Colorado which a friend collected for me. Lovely little species (about the size of a cabbage butterfly); so probably smaller than P. clodius. The two females my friend caught me are quite nice in that they have a fair amount of red in those eye spots.
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Post by kevinkk on Nov 29, 2021 21:30:12 GMT -8
Mountains and hills can be subjective. Our hills are hills, under 1000', a mountain- like Mount Hood is a lot taller, I'd have to look it up,
but like our little coastal range here, just inland twenty miles or so, it's hills, and that can depend on the geography a person is used to,
I brought someone from Northern Indiana out here a few times, and she called our Murphy Hill at 900' a mountain.
And who knows for sure trehopr1, those clodius I found here might have been just a one off from some nursery plants, I caught several Hyles lineata
here at home in late March or early April one year, and have never seen them before or since. Both were a surprise respectively. Apparently
I just need to sit outside more often.
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 30, 2021 5:25:30 GMT -8
This doesn't answer Crake's question, but for the record: Natural History Observations on Parnassius Clodius altaurus and Parnassius smintheus magnus (Papilionidae) in Grand Teton National Park, WY (Journal Lep Soc, March 2021) the authors state: "Dicentra uniflora for P. clodius and Sedum lanceolatum Torrye for P. smintheus." They make no mention of the foodplant of other ssp., or of alternative plants.
Chuck
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Post by foxxdoc on Nov 30, 2021 8:14:12 GMT -8
I DON'T KNOW IF DICENTRA IS THE RIGHT FOOD PLANT OR NOT BUT IT SURE IS EASY TO FIND AT HOMEDEPOT.
BEST
TOM
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Post by Crake on Nov 30, 2021 8:23:42 GMT -8
I DON'T KNOW IF DICENTRA IS THE RIGHT FOOD PLANT OR NOT BUT IT SURE IS EASY TO FIND AT HOMEDEPOT. BEST TOM , Interesting. I've raided every nursery in my area and found nothing. What region of the U.S are you in? |
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 30, 2021 8:47:52 GMT -8
Home Depot sometimes carries bleeding heart, which is a different species than uniflora. No idea if they will eat it.
You can get uniflora seeds on Etsy but that won’t get you mature plants by end of year.
Chuck
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Post by kevinkk on Nov 30, 2021 8:53:41 GMT -8
With nurseries, or other plant sellers, they're going to be either seasonal or sell plants that can actually grow in the area.
I've had to go online to find oleander, ailanthus, evergreen oak and pepper tree. You probably already know to beware of pesticides
with nursery stock.
A little off topic, but I did get rid of the scale insects on my pepper tree by cutting off every branch with leaves and leaving only
the tiny buds, set things back a bit, but it worked.
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Post by Crake on Nov 30, 2021 8:57:28 GMT -8
Home Depot sometimes carries bleeding heart, which is a different species than uniflora. No idea if they will eat it. You can get uniflora seeds on Etsy but that won’t get you mature plants by end of year. Chuck I think clodius will eat more than 1 Dicentra sp. as it's range exceeds that of Pacific bleeding heart ( D. formosa). I did get some seeds, but they need to stay cold until spring and will be cooked alive in the summer. |
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