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Post by andresheleno on Dec 8, 2021 8:12:30 GMT -8
Hello
In 2017 a Hurricane hit the Turks and Caicos Islands with winds of 205Km which according to the news destroyed completely the islands, can anyone tell me if this sp has survived, or it is already extinct?
Thanks
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Post by trehopr1 on Dec 8, 2021 10:10:43 GMT -8
In my humble opinion I think it could be said that the species likely survives there still.
These islands have certainly seen other big storms and many smaller storms over these last hundred years; and yet the species has continued to thrive and survive. Although, I'm certain it is probably a localized species where it may be found.
When the "news" uses attention-getting (headers) like "completely destroyed"; it is largely referring to the human impact in terms... Nature bounces back after storms (in time); and insects (in particular) have an amazing recuperative ability.
The species itself (so far as I know) has had protection status there for quite a long time now. I have a friend who lived there for two months in 1991 and it was already (protected) then. Hefty fines would be incurred if you were caught with it. Of course, he took the gamble, found their haunts, and collected about a dozen anyway. He was never caught and he still has them to this day.
When I think of any Island being "completely destroyed" I can only imagine such places as Tarawa and Iwo Jima (for example); which were bombed and shelled into oblivion during World War 2's Pacific campaign.
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Post by exoticimports on Dec 8, 2021 10:45:47 GMT -8
When I think of any Island being "completely destroyed" I can only imagine such places as Tarawa and Iwo Jima (for example); which were bombed and shelled into oblivion during World War 2's Pacific campaign. You could write to T&C DNR: www.gov.tc/decr/Most tropical islands get pasted by storms, and for the most part all species survive. There will, of course, be exceptions. In the big scheme of things, an island doesn't care if ssp. bjornalae is there or not, or if 30,000 years later a gravid female blows in and starts a new ssp. That said, atoll islands like Mitiaro in the Cook Islands undoubtedly suffer loss of complete species. The cyclone of 2004 put the entire island almost two meters under water for almost a day; clearly the loss of fauna is without a doubt. Now, the correction, albeit somewhat off topic: war rarely completely destroys flora and fauna. Guadalcanal is often cited as being totally destroyed, indeed even in this forum; but also in history forums where they should know better. For the record, the destruction on Guadalcanal was limited to an area of approximately 20km x 1km on the north shore, and even then it was intermittent. Tarawa is an atoll comprised of dozens of inhabited islands. The wartime destruction was restricted to the islands of Betio and Bairiki. You could have sat on Buariki and drank a beer watching the invasion. Iwo Jima is another "total destruction" story that isn't true. Post-invasion aerial photos clearly show substantial remaining flora. Did the last ten adults of some barely-extant lycaenid get wiped of the beach? Who knows. But no healthy population of any species was eliminated. Chuck
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Post by laurie2 on Dec 8, 2021 12:05:11 GMT -8
Hello In 2017 a Hurricane hit the Turks and Caicos Islands with winds of 205Km which according to the news destroyed completely the islands, can anyone tell me if this sp has survived, or it is already extinct? Thanks I was there in 2019 and found very healthy populations on both Providenciales and North Caicos.
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Post by papiliotheona on Dec 9, 2021 10:07:11 GMT -8
The better question is can you get a collecting permit for it which I doubt...
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Post by andresheleno on Dec 9, 2021 12:32:34 GMT -8
Hello
Very happy that this sp is not extint, i see some photos from those islands, and there are mountains there, maybe that protected the sp. Why not breed that specie legal and this whay increase population and good for colectors, the same to O alexandrae.
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Post by jshuey on Dec 9, 2021 13:35:11 GMT -8
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Post by trehopr1 on Dec 9, 2021 15:05:15 GMT -8
I agree with you andresheleno !
It is a really unique and dandy subspecies. I have always wondered why no one breeds Parides childrenae as well. That's an outstanding species in its own right.
Yet, it seems only relatively common fodder type species are bred instead. Go figure...
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Post by exoticimports on Dec 9, 2021 15:09:04 GMT -8
Thanks John that’s a brutal paper. Better start making new labels. My brain hurts after page 2, 40 more to go.
Chuck
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Post by eurytides on Dec 9, 2021 18:19:05 GMT -8
Adam linked that paper in another thread a few weeks ago. I agree - headache. I changed a bunch of my labels too.
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Post by exoticimports on Dec 9, 2021 18:42:29 GMT -8
Adam linked that paper in another thread a few weeks ago. I agree - headache. I changed a bunch of my labels too. Kidding. I don’t change labels. I rarely put ID labels on anything anymore. Either I know what it is, or some grad student can do them in a few years. Chuck
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Post by eurytides on Dec 9, 2021 22:03:43 GMT -8
Haha, I agree Chuck. I considered not putting ID labels at one point, because really, the most important data are location, date…etc. What we call an individual insect is immaterial - the genotype and phenotype are what they are. However, I am pretty type A, so here we are with the labels.
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