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Post by exoticimports on Jan 24, 2022 5:50:31 GMT -8
AFAIK, import of Ornithoptera from (specifically) Solomon Islands to USA is still banned. If anyone knows otherwise, let me know. This was a result of a pissing contest between CITES and SI DNR, and has been recorded in a different thread. Despite being a signatory (now) to CITES, the ban was not automatically lifted; somebody would have to get their politician to change federal law.
Chuck
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Post by livingplanet3 on Feb 5, 2022 17:37:15 GMT -8
The Solomon Islands are one of those places that I've always wanted to visit eventually, but for various reasons, it will probably never happen. But, I've also learned to "never say never". Papua New Guinea, Malaysia and Madagascar are also on the list. Admittedly though, I'm not much of a traveler. A couple of trips to Australia, decades ago, were my only journeys outside the US (and those didn't focus much on insects).
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 5, 2022 19:37:49 GMT -8
One has merely to buy the air tickets. You can be in Tahiti or Dushanbe tomorrow.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 5, 2022 20:51:46 GMT -8
One has merely to buy the air tickets. You can be in Tahiti or Dushanbe tomorrow. Is it really that simple? What is needed to get non CITES insects one collects from the Solomon Islands into the USA? |
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Post by suzuki on Feb 6, 2022 6:33:50 GMT -8
Ah Brother Mick.Bought Birdwings from him. Paid him for Cites documents. Butterflies arrived late but no Cities documents. Emailed him. No response other than did I want to buy more..Reply obvious
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 6, 2022 6:52:21 GMT -8
One has merely to buy the air tickets. You can be in Tahiti or Dushanbe tomorrow. Is it really that simple? What is needed to get non CITES insects one collects from the Solomon Islands into the USA? You’ve been a registered member here for over a decade, so I don’t mind being a bit abrupt: did you read this thread? Did you read any of the dozen or so threads specific to import from Solomon Islands? Did you read any other threads on legal import? Posts like this make me wonder how many accounts here are Chinese bots, and how many are USFWS Entrapment Division. |
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Post by vabrou on Feb 6, 2022 8:38:39 GMT -8
I know of a contact that has collectors obtaining entomological materials throughout the accessible islands of the Solomon's, though there are too many persons in this forum past and present stating BS opinions and unsubstantiated regulations. I will never post this person's identity or contact info. But I could furnish a few names to him to decide whom if any he may decide to reply to. Five years ago I described three new species of Eudocima from the South Pacific and Australian region, including one rare species from the Solomon's, one from Vanuatu, one from Marquesas Islands. Actually my co-author and I have discovered about 10 new undescribed speciesof Eudocima over the past 12 years across the world.
Government fools on both ends of this pipeline make up their own rules to screw with and bully people. This crap has shown its ugly head in recent decades by people whose purpose is to stop anyone but themselves from having access to collecting. These things have occurred because of gov connected elitist have gotten laws in many countries passed to help their personal corrupt activities, while barring others from these activities. E.g. Mexico, Brazil, numerous dozens of others, and the worse is India since 1970 in which every state in the country has a different set of laws based upon religious opinions preventing collecting of any living creatures, even scientific research is squashed, except that is involving certain elitist connected university bullies. Over the decades dozens of India's university students have submitted manuscripts on lepidoptera for my critical review, and the most recent literature of India they cite in their manuscripts is over a century old, usually from the 1800's. Scientific research there is a real-life nightmare, where one government agency goes in to another government agency and seizes and destroys their entomological materials and actually arrest members of other governmental agencies because of their governmental activities.
While Mexico has bulldozed entire states to plant corn over the past 50 years, they have also stopped anyone not elitist connected from collecting there. Obviously species have disappeared as the forest have long disappeared. Now several states in southern Mexico have been planting TEAK tree farms on a grand scale. Everyone is familiar what has happened to the forest in Brazil and Borneo. Just how much palm oil is needed?
Then we have to survive the abundant scammers who live in these remote locals, and the scammer middlemen. There is an entire family of scammers in Peru who have repeatedly robbed hundreds of unwitting victims over the past 12-15 years, and they still do to present day in various insect groups on the web, and including numerous Fakebook insect groups.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 20, 2022 21:07:24 GMT -8
Is it really that simple? What is needed to get non CITES insects one collects from the Solomon Islands into the USA? You’ve been a registered member here for over a decade, so I don’t mind being a bit abrupt: did you read this thread? Did you read any of the dozen or so threads specific to import from Solomon Islands? Did you read any other threads on legal import? Posts like this make me wonder how many accounts here are Chinese bots, and how many are USFWS Entrapment Division. exoticimports I did not appreciate your referring to me as a "Chinese bot" or "USFWS Entrapment Division". Yes I did read this thread including papilio84 and livingplanet3 desires to visit the Solomon Islands and possibly send/bring non CITES moths to the USA. Your responses to them where incomplete and simplistic. You mentioned the basic needs such as USFWS license, port of entry, inspection, fee, finding a SI wildlife exporter, if using mail "ensure package goes through USFWS", and finally " One has merely to buy the air tickets". I had hoped you would have used your vast knowledge of the Solomon Islands and USFWS to explain the more difficult actions necessary, those being: 1. How does one locate a SI Wildlife Exporter, preferably before one travels to the SI. 2. Does this SI Exporter actually export the insects via the mail or a shipping service, or help you get it onto your return flight. 3. Is a permit necessary for the export? 4. Is a collecting permit required? 5. And lastly, if mailed, how does one "ensure the package goes to USFWS for inspection"? According to CFR 50 part 14.52 "Service officer must clear all wildlife imported into the United States prior to release from detention by Customs officers". I hear this is not happening since Customs just gives the package to the US Post Service. The USFWS has a dysfunctional system which needs to be fixed. The end result now is they blame the importer. exoticimports: Hope you can provide some useful answers to insectnet members,. Do not tell me to contact USFWS as we both know their answers can not be trusted and different offices have different answers. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 20, 2022 23:57:21 GMT -8
I feel the need here to say that if someone wants to reply to another member's questions, post, or thread then please do so with respect AND the willingness to disseminate the knowledge which you have.
If your answer comes across abrupt, arrogant, belittling, or foolish then DON'T bother replying...
That sort of behavior only alienates new members as well as those who are not quite "up to speed" on a given topic which you as the (replier) may have a sturdy background in.
Be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, AND HELPFUL (above all) to avoid negativity which only hurts the forum and those of us who care about it !
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Post by jellybean on Feb 21, 2022 4:26:48 GMT -8
I feel the need here to say that if someone wants to reply to another member's questions, post, or thread then please do so with respect AND the willingness to disseminate the knowledge which you have. If your answer comes across abrupt, arrogant, belittling, or foolish then DON'T bother replying... That sort of behavior only alienates new members as well as those who are not quite "up to speed" on a given topic which you as the (replier) may have a sturdy background in. Be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, AND HELPFUL (above all) to avoid negativity which only hurts the forum and those of us who care about it ! Looks like you are saying it is OK for the other person to refer to me as a "Chinese bot" or "USFWS Entrapment Division". As far as me being abrupt, the other person said of himself: "I don’t mind being a bit abrupt" when replying to my post. All I wanted was for him to provide additional info on exporting from the SI to the USA. I didn't have time to go through his 2000+ posts. |
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 21, 2022 4:34:14 GMT -8
jellybean < I guess trehopr1 comments were not for you, more for exoticimports. Of course, it is NOT OK to treat you as a "Chinese bot" or "USFWS Entrapment Division" for asking a question. And of course, members don't have to read 10 years of Insectnet topics to have right to ask a question.  And I hope Chuck will give you some useful answers.
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 21, 2022 6:20:33 GMT -8
I really thought there was a good chance OP was a bot. One forum I’m on has been mined for old, seldom used accounts, then the accounts are hacked and either bots or disinformation agents start posting.
Either are usually first detected when they pose a question already answered in that same thread, and are very brief. As was the case here.
The next ID is often when the question is rephrased and repeated.
Most people have no idea they are communicating with AI.
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 21, 2022 7:01:24 GMT -8
I really thought there was a good chance OP was a bot. One forum I’m on has been mined for old, seldom used accounts, then the accounts are hacked and either bots or disinformation agents start posting. Either are usually first detected when they pose a question already answered in that same thread, and are very brief. As was the case here. The next ID is often when the question is rephrased and repeated. Most people have no idea they are communicating with AI. Chuck, you can easily check the previous posts of any members by clicking on his profile and check his last posts In the case of jellybean, you can see in two seconds that he is obviously not a bot but a fellow insect collector : insectnet.proboards.com/user/77/recent |
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 21, 2022 10:14:59 GMT -8
Jellybean, you have mistaken my statement as a reply (to your answer) to exoticimports rude remark (which you quoted).
I did not see his original reply until you quoted it. Seeing his answer prompted me to make the statement that I did as I felt it was unfair for him to say.
He has now clarified the reason why he said what he did.
Your reply to exoticimports was a fair and understanding reply that you (did not) appreciate being treated so shabbily.
My statement is merely a "blanket statement" to anyone answering others questions in general.
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Post by queenbug on Apr 14, 2022 19:12:42 GMT -8
I've had several dealings with brother Mick over a period of the last 12 months and he still owes me money and I know i'll never get it back. Received some stock all A2. Please please do not be fooled into thinking you will set up Ecolodge with him. I've had so many phone conversations with him and realise he is a dreamer and nothing positive will come from any communications or dealings with him. Sorry for the negative news but its factual.
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