evra
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Post by evra on Jan 28, 2022 17:27:37 GMT -8
Yeah, it’s not a full strip, but about half. The trap is basically a 1 gal plastic jar with a funnel taking up most of the volume so you can’t fit much in the bottom.
The lures are basically guaranteed for 3-4 months, but I’ve had some last for well over 1 year. I usually use more than 1 in a trap because I’m not targeting any particular species, but instead just trying to figure out what, if anything is around. Again, the peachtree borer lures and the squash vine borer lures seem to be best for this. I’ve never gotten anything with the dogwood or raspberry crown borer lures, but I also don’t live in their range. I presume they are effective for those particular species.
The good news is the traps are cheap and kind of hard to see in the woods, and you’re only out about $25 if someone finds and steals one, unlike a light trap, which would be at least $100-200.
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Post by Paul K on Jan 28, 2022 18:23:22 GMT -8
Thank you Evra I shall order few traps and lures that you recommend sometime soon. I hope that they can ship to Canada, I couldn’t find anything around Toronto.
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Post by bandrow on Jan 29, 2022 9:02:43 GMT -8
Greetings, Many years ago, I visited Dave Marqua in the Davis Mountains Resort, outside of Fort Davis, Texas. He had been running sesiid pheromone traps for a lepidopterist friend, and discovered that buprestid beetles, especially the genus Acmaeodera, were also attracted to them in large numbers. If I remember correctly, his traps were yellow - which may account for the beetles - they may have been more attracted to the color than the lure. Question - has anyone running moth pheromones seen a response from any types of beetles? Also - has anyone taken a look at the images I linked to on BugGuide Paranthrene simulans to see if they possibly represent the new species of Paranthrene described in the paper in the opening post of this thread? I would assume the authors would have done their due diligence and checked BugGuide for potential records, but since I can't get to the paper online, I don't know if that is mentioned... Cheers! Bandrow
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Post by exoticimports on Jan 29, 2022 12:38:53 GMT -8
Bob, your institution doesn't get LepSoc?
The authors differentiate from simulans with BOLD, but also cite simulans wingspan 35-36mm, the new hiairemontis 29-30mm. The authors have a photo of simulans, and it's definitely yellow & black. In fact, both the other photos on BugGuide, and a quick search for simulans on the internet shows all yellow and black - EXCEPT the photo on bugguide from Ohio. I wonder if I should flag that series of photos to the authors.
Chuck
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Post by bandrow on Jan 30, 2022 7:25:59 GMT -8
Bob, your institution doesn't get LepSoc? The authors differentiate from simulans with BOLD, but also cite simulans wingspan 35-36mm, the new hiairemontis 29-30mm. The authors have a photo of simulans, and it's definitely yellow & black. In fact, both the other photos on BugGuide, and a quick search for simulans on the internet shows all yellow and black - EXCEPT the photo on bugguide from Ohio. I wonder if I should flag that series of photos to the authors. Chuck Hi Chuck, We do - I just haven't hunted this down and read it. When I'm in the building, I'm busy with all kinds of beetle stuff, and forget the extranea! I'll put it on my 'to-do' list for Monday. I just assume most authors would scan BugGuide and iNaturalist for images of taxa they're working on, but I've heard others denigrate both sites as being "untrustworthy". Both have their limitations, but both are also very important resources. Cheers! Bob
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Post by exoticimports on Jan 31, 2022 5:56:07 GMT -8
I wrote the authors and flagged the photo Bandrow linked to. I'll report back.
I don't have the experience with BugGuide. iNaturalist must ALWAYS be taken carefully. Paul noted a date discrepancy based on flora, and I found a "record" of Necturus (mudpuppy salamander) with a location inland- more likely the photographer's residence, certainly not where one would find the aquatic Necturus. "Confirmed" misidentifications on iNaturalist are all too common; so much so that I quit trying to get them corrected, it was just too many hours.
Chuck
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Post by jshuey on Jan 31, 2022 6:10:43 GMT -8
I wrote the authors and flagged the photo Bandrow linked to. I'll report back. I don't have the experience with BugGuide. iNaturalist must ALWAYS be taken carefully. Paul noted a date discrepancy based on flora, and I found a "record" of Necturus (mudpuppy salamander) with a location inland- more likely the photographer's residence, certainly not where one would find the aquatic Necturus. "Confirmed" misidentifications on iNaturalist are all too common; so much so that I quit trying to get them corrected, it was just too many hours. Chuck Keep in mind that iNaturalist "obscures" data for all species that are listed as imperiled at the state/federal level. They throw a randomly placed 40 km 2 box around the real data point, and then show you a randomly placed dot within the box. In Indiana - Necturus is obscured because it is state listed. Probably true for other Midwest states as well. I will agree with the terrible iNaturalist data in "expert IDs". If you are going to use this data, you have to confirm every record yourself. John
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Post by exoticimports on Jan 31, 2022 7:57:43 GMT -8
The author responded with " I think your specimen is a Paranthrene nearer simulans than hilairemontis."
Interesting. Are there any black/white Parathrene other than hilairemontis? If not, somebody in Ohio better get busy.
John- that is a good point that not everyone might not be aware of. Specific to Necturus, in my area Necturus is quite common; I once watched a mother mink grab one after another and take them to the den.
Chuck
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Post by bandrow on Jan 31, 2022 19:36:21 GMT -8
Hi Chuck,
That is an interesting answer - leaves the question wide open. Since size isn't listed for the Ohio specimen, I guess color is all that can be considered from the image.
I signed up on iNaturalist, but soon became disenchanted with it. Too many mis-IDs with a train of "confirmations" all supporting the mis-ID. Getting misidentifications corrected is a hassle and bad IDs persist.
I'm fairly active as a Contributing Editor (sounds fancier than it is!) on BugGuide and I like the format and protocols better there. It does also have its limitations - the most obvious its being restricted to North America north of Mexico. Also - one has to be aware that the distributions shown under 'Data' are based solely on where the images were taken, and all it takes is one image from a state to shade in the whole state. Therefore, an image of say, Plinthocoelium schwarzi from the Rio Grande Valley, shades in all of Texas for the species, despite it only occurring deep in the LRGV.
On BugGuide, there is more direct discussion between users and we folks helping ID specimens, and problem IDs can be easily resolved and changed. However, there is still a plethora of issues - such as hundreds of live shots of Phyllophaga (May beetles) with species-level dets, when most need to be dissected (male and female) to be accurately determined. I also wonder about a lot of the moths shot on a sheet with the wings closed - some Catocala, and many other moths, need to have the hindwings examined to be sure of an ID.
The good thing about both is that they provide vehicles for interaction between citizen scientists, professionals, hobbyists, etc. And as long as they are used as another tool in the toolbox, and not a sole resource for ID, they perform a pretty good role...
Cheers! Bob
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Post by colin12303 on Feb 1, 2022 7:09:23 GMT -8
I collect lots of clearwing moths in the uk each year. We have 2 hornet mimics 1 is large, looks and even sounds like the european hornet. The other is smaller and looks and sounds more like a large vespa wasp it even sits and pulsates its abdomen like a wasp so much so you have to look twice. They both come to the right lure if you put it upwind of its foodplant (most importantly) at the right time of day. I have got a trap but i never use it but if i did i would put water in the bottom like you do with the old jam jar traps you use in the summer for wasps
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Post by colin12303 on Feb 1, 2022 8:33:06 GMT -8
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Post by colin12303 on Feb 1, 2022 8:42:33 GMT -8
On the left 3 hornet moths, then 3 hornet hover flies, then queen. drone. and worker european hornet then 4 lunar hornet moths, then 4 wasps top 2 german wasp queens bottom 2 common wasp queen and drone
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 1, 2022 12:24:37 GMT -8
The author wrote me again after looking more at the photos on BugGuide stating “ the top of the legs seems to be yellow, but it is deep black in hilairemontis.”
Lol. Maybe he’s got some time in Ohio coming up.
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Post by colin12303 on Feb 1, 2022 12:58:18 GMT -8
Lets try again
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 1, 2022 14:55:17 GMT -8
Ah'yes, now you're cookin'...
That is indeed a splendid photograph illustrating the likenesses of everything !
Nice specimens; well done.
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