gielr
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Post by gielr on Feb 20, 2022 7:29:13 GMT -8
Hello Everyone! Does anyone know what kind of subspecies this is of Papilio bachus?  |
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Post by livingplanet3 on Feb 20, 2022 8:30:40 GMT -8
To me, it appears to be Papilio bachus chrysomelus.
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Post by gielr on Feb 20, 2022 8:56:27 GMT -8
Thank you for your opinion! Is it an abberation then? Because it has so much orange on the underwings.
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Post by livingplanet3 on Feb 20, 2022 9:05:40 GMT -8
As is the case with many other butterfly species, there is considerable individual variation in P. bachus. Some authors consider bachus to be a subspecies of Papilio zagreus -  |
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Post by gielr on Feb 20, 2022 13:16:50 GMT -8
Okay so so my bachus is a variant with more orange in the underwing. But not a different subspecies or abberation.
Thanks!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 20, 2022 15:28:29 GMT -8
Hello Everyone! Does anyone know what kind of subspecies this is of Papilio bachus? Please tell us the specimen locality data, thank you. Adam. |
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Post by gielr on Feb 21, 2022 3:50:55 GMT -8
This species come from JunÃn, Peru. 1982.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 21, 2022 5:57:03 GMT -8
Okay so so my bachus is a variant with more orange in the underwing. But not a different subspecies or abberation. Thanks! Yes, I would agree that this is a variation of bachus chrysomelus with more orange on the hindwings than many. I would not regard it as an aberration or a different subspecies. The zagreus group really needs revision, and Tommaso Racheli has plans to do that. It is still unclear how many species there are in the group. Tyler et al (1994, Swallowtail Butterflies of the Americas) treat the whole group as a single species ( zagreus) but probably there are at least 3 species in the group. Adam. |
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Post by gielr on Feb 21, 2022 13:37:48 GMT -8
Thank you Adam! Do you have also some special zagreus/ ascolius/ bachus specimens?
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Post by hewi on Feb 22, 2022 6:03:36 GMT -8
Your bachus is already the first step towards the f. belsazar, which NIEPELT had described as a separate subspecies from Ecuador in 1907.  |
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Post by laurie2 on Feb 22, 2022 6:32:26 GMT -8
Your bachus is already the first step towards the f. belsazar, which NIEPELT had described as a separate subspecies from Ecuador in 1907. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Nice specimen. |
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Post by gielr on Feb 22, 2022 17:12:38 GMT -8
Wow what a beautiful specimen! How I would love for this one to be mine.
Besides, it's hard to get females. Would like a female of papilio zagreus. In addition, I am curious if there are abberation of papilio zagreus. Have not observed them yet.
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Post by hewi on Feb 23, 2022 2:18:27 GMT -8
Papilio bachus bachus (Venezuela)  |
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Post by hewi on Feb 23, 2022 2:22:09 GMT -8
Papilio bachus chrysomelus female  |
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Post by hewi on Feb 23, 2022 2:26:22 GMT -8
Papilio zagreus nigroapicalis female  |
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