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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 3, 2022 1:07:37 GMT -8
About 4 years ago I came across this specimen in a collection being parted out. Initially, there wasn't anything about it which sounded any alarms but, I always check data and in my scrutiny of the label THAT name jumped out. Now, I don't really believe this to be a marmorata but, then I cannot quite place an identification on it. So, I present it here for my discerning catocala colleagues to render an opinion of just what species she likely is.  |
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Post by billgarthe on Mar 3, 2022 6:11:12 GMT -8
IMO, this appears to be C. meskei. Surely not C. marmorata.
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Post by mothman55 on Mar 3, 2022 13:41:39 GMT -8
Possibly unijuga. Is the discal lunule on the underside prominent (unijuga) or faint to absent (meskei)?
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Post by billgarthe on Mar 3, 2022 14:22:57 GMT -8
Yes, I think unijuga is pretty close, but the FW subreniform spot is open to the PM line and the FW fringe black slit blotches are thin/sparse w meskei. Unijuga has a closed FW subreniform spot and heavier FW fringe black slit blotches. Also, the HW black band is thicker and nearly to the anal fold w unijuga and more tapered at the anal fold w meskei. To be honest, I, too, considered unijuga for a bit.
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Post by hewi on Mar 3, 2022 15:04:29 GMT -8
Is the specimen below in the middle row with the number 0307 C. marmorata ? I am not very familiar with the American members of the genus.  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 3, 2022 15:12:11 GMT -8
Hewi, in my humble opinion I believe you have secured a specimen of marmorata.
That long black dash across the top portion of the forewing is very distinctive in this remarkable species and its size is also very large as Catocala go.
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Post by billgarthe on Mar 3, 2022 15:46:57 GMT -8
Yep…..I agree w Trehopr1. From a few years ago……got more in the last two years.  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 3, 2022 16:24:13 GMT -8
Bill, that drawer is "staggering" to see and yet it is enchanting at the same time !
Bravo, well done...
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 3, 2022 17:16:57 GMT -8
Hewi, could we see a better picture of that C. nivea ?
I believe that one is the largest species of the genus overseas. But, then perhaps large examples of C. fraxini rival it.
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Post by hewi on Mar 4, 2022 6:48:34 GMT -8
Hewi, could we see a better picture of that C. nivea ? I believe that one is the largest species of the genus overseas. But, then perhaps large examples of C. fraxini rival it. yes, they do  |
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Post by hewi on Mar 4, 2022 6:49:20 GMT -8
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 4, 2022 8:02:17 GMT -8
Splendid specimens Manfred !
Thank you kindly for sharing them with us.
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Post by jhyatt on Mar 4, 2022 16:35:02 GMT -8
Hewi, could we see a better picture of that C. nivea ? I believe that one is the largest species of the genus overseas. But, then perhaps large examples of C. fraxini rival it. yes, they do <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Hewi, Are those two C nivea from Japan or from the mainland of Asia? Do you know if the two areas have distinct forms of nivea? I recall seeing a Tibetan example with much paler fw. My Japanese nivea is very like the two you illustrated. John Hyatt |
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Post by billgarthe on Mar 4, 2022 17:49:00 GMT -8
I don’t have too many Cats from outside the US, but thought I’d share.  |
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Post by Paul K on Mar 4, 2022 20:49:27 GMT -8
I only have two species of Catocala other than N.American that I collected in Poland during my youth years there. Catocala nupta was very common at one location in my city park ( Wroclaw ). Catocala promissa I encountered while on family vacation, I don't know what is the status of both species these days.  |
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