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Mexico
Dec 20, 2011 3:02:27 GMT -8
Post by wollastoni on Dec 20, 2011 3:02:27 GMT -8
Dears,
I will spend few days in Mexico in May. I have 2 questions :
- is there any way to get a collecting permit (I think it is impossible, but if someone knows a solution, please tell me). - is there a cottage somewhere who offers butterfly observation and so on.
Thanks for your help
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Mexico
Dec 20, 2011 5:46:53 GMT -8
Post by prillbug2 on Dec 20, 2011 5:46:53 GMT -8
Don't try. It can take you years to get one, and it's very dangerous. From what I understand. Jeff Prill
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Mexico
Dec 20, 2011 6:21:26 GMT -8
Post by africaone on Dec 20, 2011 6:21:26 GMT -8
seem that you have a nice choice - years to obtain permit (without being sure to obatin it) - or years in jails if no permits I heared that a tax is due for every specimens caught ! there are so many stories coming from Mexico about insect collectiong
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Mexico
Dec 20, 2011 6:45:24 GMT -8
Post by jshuey on Dec 20, 2011 6:45:24 GMT -8
The permit thing - others have answered. The observation part - well Mexico is a big country. Where in Mexico are you headed?
Most of Mexico is very rural, and if you have a rental car you should be able to see plenty of bugs. May should be good for most of the country – the winter “dry” season just ending.
If you are going out in the field in Mexico, the key is to not be stupid. I would be hesitant around big cities and known cartel areas. In the south (Chiapas and the Yucatan Peninsula) cartel operations are less of a threat, but still - Don’t be stupid. If you look “like a tourist” then you are a potential target if you are wandering around by yourself along the road. You should blend in… no expensive cloths, jewelry, watches, cameras, etc… I’ve bummed around southern Mexico extensively and recently, and I’ve NEVER had a problem. But regularly I run into “tourists” in their white polo shirts and shorts, driving around in their convertible Jeeps who tell me about all the problems they have encountered outside of Cancun. Go figure?
BLEND IN!
Shuey
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Mexico
Dec 20, 2011 19:16:11 GMT -8
Post by prillbug2 on Dec 20, 2011 19:16:11 GMT -8
Actually, it's safer to go to Belize. Even though a permit is suggested, I didn't need one. Jeff Prill
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Mexico
Dec 21, 2011 0:28:10 GMT -8
Post by wollastoni on Dec 21, 2011 0:28:10 GMT -8
Thanks a lot for your help and advices. I mainly go to Mexico for few days to see some good friends. I wanted to spend one or two days collecting, but it seems I should better go for scuba diving or Maya pyramids...
Hope I won't cross any Agrias though...
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Mexico
Dec 21, 2011 1:09:58 GMT -8
Post by africaone on Dec 21, 2011 1:09:58 GMT -8
I visited the maja pyramid many years ago (being 15 old) and I saw my first american butterfly there (including a big blue flash ). I was completeley exited and my parents + the guides prohibited the net . The trail in the bush became for me like a mixed of hell and paradise !
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Mexico
Dec 21, 2011 9:23:45 GMT -8
Post by jshuey on Dec 21, 2011 9:23:45 GMT -8
Thanks a lot for your help and advices. I mainly go to Mexico for few days to see some good friends. I wanted to spend one or two days collecting, but it seems I should better go for scuba diving or Maya pyramids... Hope I won't cross any Agrias though... Don't worry - it sounds like you are headed to the Yucatan Peninsula (the only place that combines Maya ruins with coral reefs). Agrias are not likely there – unless you make it to Palenque or other sites in Chiapas. I suppose that in the Yucatan at Ruinas Calakmul, Agrias could be possible – but I have not seen it in the Belize portion of this forest. Agrias seems to be pre-montane in “high rainforest” in this part of Central America. If you are in the Yucatan – you will be in seasonal tropical scrub at sea level – much of it deciduous during the dry season (winter). You will just be coming out of the dry season in May, and if the rains occur on time, things should be greening up quite a bit. Or if the rains are late – it will be a mostly leafless tangled mess. If things are good – you have a chance to see some of the nicer endemics of the region. Battus philenor acudata is occasionally common at Ruinas Uxmal and along the Maya Riviera coast. Also, Papilio r. rogeri can be common near Chichen Itza and other areas of dry scrub. There is an endemic Hamadryas as well that is usually found at bait in scrub forest. Most of the other endemics are Hesperiids and Lyceanids – so most people don’t ever notice them. If the rains are good - you will see some generally great bugs in this part of the World. Shuey
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Mexico
Dec 21, 2011 17:40:49 GMT -8
Post by panzerman on Dec 21, 2011 17:40:49 GMT -8
I know of someone who went down too Mexico, spent 3 months collecting the Pacific West, Oaxaca, Guerrero etc., came back with a ton of nice specimens, including many perfect esperanza females. The trick was too look like a Mexican, so to have no problems with police, banditos. Just like Japanese collect Andamans, Nicobars, S. India...it can be done.
John
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Mexico
Dec 21, 2011 20:32:25 GMT -8
Post by Chris Grinter on Dec 21, 2011 20:32:25 GMT -8
Apparently Mexico used to be a great place before the 70's because there was no collecting law... lots of guys I know in California used to go all the time, and some of them still do just like it was the old days. None of them have ever had any problems and they just sail on home with massive collections. Ironically, the Mexican permit I am on HAS run into problems because of US Fish and Wildlife now requiring us to get an export permit (which our mexican colleagues never even heard about). Go figure.
I'd bring a small net and keep an eye out for the gem... if you have a handful of specimens then it's basically going to be overlooked by anyone anywhere.
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Mexico
Dec 22, 2011 2:47:23 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 2:47:23 GMT -8
come on guys, somebody step forward and make the trip, oh and by the way fetch me back 2 or 3 pairs of esperanza while you are there, I mean, how hard can it be?
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Mexico
Dec 22, 2011 4:10:57 GMT -8
Post by nostrodamus on Dec 22, 2011 4:10:57 GMT -8
I was in Mexico some 13 years ago. At the time I never heard something about permits.... I collected in Yucatan and Chiapas (arround Agua Azul) and never had any problems ! I would say just be carefull not showing your net ... but I don't think I risk again what I was doing then, when I was young and didn't knew anything about permits and stuff !
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Mexico
Dec 23, 2011 23:33:49 GMT -8
Post by papiliotheona on Dec 23, 2011 23:33:49 GMT -8
Not worth trying unless you have connections with the big universities in Mexico. It's hard to get a collecting permit (unless you know one of the three big professors who have the power to grant these permits), but possible. It's virtually impossible to get the export permit.
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Mexico
Jan 10, 2012 5:29:05 GMT -8
Post by timoinsects on Jan 10, 2012 5:29:05 GMT -8
contact a people there,that helps you to collect,without a local friend's assistance,things become difficult. i personally think that perhaps by sending parcels out from the country could avoid the problem in the airport the customs to check by X-Ray.
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Mexico
Jan 10, 2012 7:25:31 GMT -8
Post by wollastoni on Jan 10, 2012 7:25:31 GMT -8
Timo < I won't collect there without permits.
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