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Post by thanos on Feb 25, 2012 16:03:01 GMT -8
Yes,as it comes from Eucalyptus it SHOULD be eucalypti.
I'm pretty sure that the hand-written (at that time) 'eucalypti' by the describers, was mis-spelled later by the others as 'encalypti' ,-the character 'u' if written by hand is easily mis-taken as 'n'. As well,for example,from Eucalyptus comes,too,the species name of the Saturniid Opodiphthera eucalypti (showing that the caterpillars eat the leaves of Eucalyptus), and is with 'U' and not 'N'. I was clear in everything I wrote above,downundermoths,the only one that seems not to have got it is you. By the way, I don't like you as a person and stop annoying me, OK ?? It seems that since you are unable to sell/exchange anymore your insects out of your country,cause of your silly laws there,you have started to show badness to other collectors. You were not like this. I once had bought a Metamimas australasiae from you on ebay (if I'm wrong correct me,I think you are 'rokrok88' of ebay),and you even had sent me a second specimen for free. I thought you were a nice and more mature person.And all this continuous badness for me,why ?? Cause once I was surprised with your thought that a Charaxes clearly being female was a male ? Yes,I was surprised. Get over it as last ! And stop attacking me. I'm here to enjoy my favorite hobby/science and to help when I can my colleagues with identification etc. Do the same !
lucanidae25, hmm, if only you were knowing my expenses(gas,hotels,etc) all these years here on so many collecting trips each summer,for having collected all my Greek specimens myself..
Thanos
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 16:55:46 GMT -8
Mecyno"RR"hina hahahahahha
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Post by thanos on Feb 25, 2012 17:08:38 GMT -8
stringer1 try as much as you want,you will never manage with such posts to downgrade my offer to this site and the public 'thanks' of many colleagues to me even recently,for helping them here  . Btw,I feel so good that will never again spend my hardly earned money to receive rotten and repaired specimens advertised as A1 by you  . And as you did this,and also had the nerve to tell here that I was the one that damaged the insects myself ,and as I totally IGNORE such persons in my life, I will do the same with any post of you from NOW . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 17:16:13 GMT -8
you could have had your money back, it wasn't broken...
Btw.. the mecynorrhina was only a joke, lighten up a little....dear me, some people...
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Post by thanos on Feb 25, 2012 17:26:37 GMT -8
Mecyno"RR"hina hahahahahha Oh,this just cause some people use to delete their posts.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 17:31:25 GMT -8
only a joke thanos...........I missed you thats all
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Post by downundermoths on Feb 25, 2012 18:09:43 GMT -8
Thanos wrote "Yes,as it comes from Eucalyptus it SHOULD be eucalypti".You never know when to give up, Thanos... Now you have compounded your ignorance by insisting that Eucalyptus is so important for this species and thus, it should be called so... If you actually studied anything about this species you would have known that the food tree is Acacia of Family Fabaceae... It is not Eucalyptus of Family Myrtaceae... You are clutching at straws, AP... Barry |
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Post by downundermoths on Feb 25, 2012 18:28:59 GMT -8
Sorry...my typo... I meant AM  |
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Post by thanos on Feb 25, 2012 20:08:25 GMT -8
Haha..you prove that you have limited collecting experience with these species,and you are from there(I had already understood this,as you never offered on ebay any species of my list..but only smaller moths). I haven't ever collected them(I'm not from Australia), but I've detailed info/references for their biology and have studied them a lot cause they interest me. As I told above, both Endoxyla cinereus and eucalypti get both acacia and eucalyptus. Specifically for E.eucalypti, it has been observed in Melbourne boring(the larvae) in Eucalyptus globulus (blue gum),together with Phoracantha Cerambycids. Btw,I don't need lessons in systematic botany ,- I'm an agriculturist and passed this lesson in the university with grade '10'  . Thanos |
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Post by downundermoths on Feb 25, 2012 23:08:46 GMT -8
Keep digging the hole deeper, Thanos...You will soon be buried... Endoxyla encalypti, otherwise commonly known as the Wattle Goat Moth, or the Acacia Carpenter Moth, does not attack any Eucalyptus. Endoxyla encalypti occurs from northern Queensland, through coastal New South Wales, and then just into Gippsland and the South East highlands of Victoria... It does not naturally occur over in Melbourne... You are perhaps confused with other species of Endoxyla, or have been misinformed. Large species such as E. cinereus, E. affinis and E. macleayi, do indeed feed inside Eucalyptus, but Endoxyla encalypti will not use them in the wild... I have actually sold five Endoxyla encalypti on eBay... All to German buyers... One is a well-known seller/collector here on InsectNet... I now have two more almost perfect females (one a giant) ready to list next month... Cheers, Barry Attachments:
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Post by lucanidae25 on Feb 25, 2012 23:25:54 GMT -8
I aggeed with Barry, Endoxyla encalypti only breed inside Acacia.
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Post by thanos on Feb 26, 2012 14:00:50 GMT -8
I'm not confused with E.cinereus. It's a fact that on almost all internet sites is written that E.eucalypti bores only in acacia. This is written in my books,too,and so firstly I thought that this species attacks only acacia. But I had/found info that E.eucalypti attacks eucalyptus,too. And also,that when the species was described,it was firstly found on eucalyptus(and thus its species name). But as it was found mainly in acacia,it was given later the common name 'Acacia Carpenter Moth'. Now,if the info I have is wrong,then Ok. But the name ' encalypti' (with 'N') seems unlikely to me to be the original one,but a mis-spelled ' eucalypti'. Anyway,maybe I'm wrong(as I haven't seen photos and don't have personal collecting experience with the species),but the info that it attacks naturally in Melbourne blue gum,and the fact that the rest very similar big Endoxyla species attack very oftenly eucalyptus(and also the high similarity between the names ' eucalypti' and ' encalypti'), are good points to think that very possibly it bores in eucalyptus,too. Btw, beautiful female on the photo, downundermoths. I was seeing your ebay listings for a long time and didn't see any of my wish species offered. And I thought that since more than the last 2 years you have stopped selling specimens on ebay cause of the new export laws of Australia. But,as you tell that you will offer again specimens on ebay(being able to send them worldwide), it seems that you got export permit for Australian species recently. I asked above if someone could offer me (for sale or exchange) any specimen of the species I mentioned, and although you have some for sale(and it seems the abitily to send internationally), you didn't tell anything,but only attacked me,while I was writing above with enthusiasm for some of my favorite species.. Anyway,no problem,and good luck with your sales. ps: I see from your ebay feedback that you offer the species as XYLEUTES ( Xyleutes secta, Xyleutes encalypti)..,while the valid genus name is Endoxyla,as you also said above. Maybe then you didn't know it..anyway. And about the E.encalypti,I just checked that you sold the last one (females 70-160 usd,male 30 usd) years ago( in 2008, when I created my ebay account ),offered as Xyleutes.. Thanos |
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Post by downundermoths on Feb 26, 2012 14:36:09 GMT -8
Tempus Fugit, AM... That was then, this is now... Generic names get shuffled around, but specific names generally stay the same, and I was using the correct encalypti even back then... Yes, it's true I haven't bothered to export any Australian species for over two years now. I have always held a valid wildlife permit and my property is licensed as a Wildlife Trade Operation. I just haven't been bothered to spend the time selling and shipping... Making my Delias collection was much more important. I hope that your antagonistic attitude is merely due to your digestion and not the financial chaos that your country finds itself in... Cheers, Barry |
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Post by downundermoths on Feb 26, 2012 14:39:35 GMT -8
Here is a male... for some reason they are rarely seen compared to the females Barry Attachments:
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Post by thanos on Feb 26, 2012 15:03:38 GMT -8
I'm not antagonistic, - I tell my opinion. Personally,I don't have economic problems. I'm still able to make many collecting trips (which have expenses) and to get some not cheap at all specimens (just today I won a dream specimen on ebay,for which already paid ). |
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. And as you did this,and also had the nerve to tell here that I was the one that damaged the insects myself ,and as I totally IGNORE such persons in my life, I will do the same with any post of you from NOW . 
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