w1
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Have had a great start to my season
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Post by w1 on Jun 10, 2012 8:29:33 GMT -8
Awesome pics. Very interesting. Thanks Ian
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pips
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Post by pips on Nov 25, 2012 6:21:40 GMT -8
Finally the box has been filled... There was always a place open for another nice aberration and then came along "zorro". For sure my most precious box Attachments:
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 25, 2012 6:57:45 GMT -8
Truly amazing ! Fantastic forms !
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Post by corradocancemi on Nov 26, 2012 3:57:10 GMT -8
Wow incredible drawer, congratulations  So is it possible to buy a zorro actually? |
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pips
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Post by pips on Nov 26, 2012 10:52:09 GMT -8
They are still out there but indeed for a lot of money... It is like with the zerynthia rumina forma honnoratii, there aren't that many specimens of this form for sale and prices often reach huge heights. Recently one was sold on ebay for 1086euros. Not bad I would say.
I wouldn't sell my zorro for that price because I am not sure to be able to buy one more in the near future...
But as it is a form that is most probably "extinct" I guess it is a good investment...
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Post by flithops on Dec 13, 2012 22:45:35 GMT -8
If a gene mutation has a probability of occurring (as zorro must have as it has occurred once that we know about), then if we wait long enough it will occur again. Of course it may be a VERY long time in the future before this particular mutation recurs. Adam. Of course, a mutation can always reoccur! But I didn't know the form zorro was a genetic mutation, I thought it was a product of temperature games during the pupal development. Anyone has ever tried to cross pair the various subspecies? Is it difficult to make them breed in captivity? Regards F. |
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Post by flithops on Dec 14, 2012 2:39:29 GMT -8
Hi Radovan,
Thanks for the info. Were the apollo in this area all forms zorro or just some specimens? Also, WHy did they keep all the breeding specimens (caterpillars) at one place?! There is always a high chance that something could happen, especially if it is already an extinct form.
Do you have any experience in cross pairing apollo specimens in captivity?
Regards
F.
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Post by wollastoni on Dec 14, 2012 3:12:47 GMT -8
flithops < zorro wasn't raised by a beginner  . Problem is all births don't give a zorro, so you have very few zorro at each generation. That's why such breedings always has a end. They achieved to make several generations and it was a true feat ! AFAIK in that area, only very few specimens were "zorro". It's like honnoratii in Dignes. |
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Post by aureusbutterflies on Dec 14, 2012 6:02:17 GMT -8
Here another nice "aberration" of Parnassius apollo ALBINO. It is ssp. vinnignensis.... enjoy...  Attachments:
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Post by Ascalaphus on Dec 19, 2012 9:55:43 GMT -8
flithops < zorro wasn't raised by a beginner . Problem is all births don't give a zorro, so you have very few zorro at each generation. That's why such breedings always has a end. They achieved to make several generations and it was a true feat ! AFAIK in that area, only very few specimens were "zorro". It's like honnoratii in Dignes. Not quite ... The Parnassius apollo f. zorro mutation was caused by a dominant allele. In 'A mutant affecting wing pattern in Parnassius apollo, 1988', Descimon & Vesco mention that they possibly caused the extinction of the zorro mutation in the wild population. They caught away all f. zorro adults they could find, because they mistakenly thought the mutation was just recessive (like linnaei f. wiskotti and rumina f. honoratii). Catching away all mutant specimens obviously has a much greater effect on the mutant population if the mutation is caused by a dominant allele. If the trait would have been recessive, the heterozygous cariers of the mutation would have remained in the population. Ascalaphus |
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Post by enyas24 on Jun 28, 2013 15:42:25 GMT -8
 This is a zorro pair from the original population  |
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