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Post by colin12303 on Aug 27, 2012 2:09:54 GMT -8
If Norway doesn't want him i'm sure the UK will.
We collect the dross of humanity from all over the world like pets.
Even if their country of origin wants them back to face their crimes we wont deport them.Something about their human rights,the nasty authorities might not talk nice to them.
Also they can invite all their family and friends to live here(free mansion and benefits of course)as a right to a family life is another basic human right here.
This would be funny if it wasn't really happening.
This is real insanity.
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Post by bandrow on Aug 28, 2012 18:47:36 GMT -8
Greetings,
Not only do we in the U.S. seem to "protect" our insane after they commit mass killings, now some apparently want to protect our drunks. Last year, in a bar near here, two men began arguing about the volume of the television. One went out to his truck and returned with a semi-automatic rifle and shot and killed the other. Other bar patrons wrestled the gun away from him. Now, his lawyer claims he shouldn't be found guilty of murder, because he was "too drunk to understand the outcome of his actions". Nevermind the fact that he wasn't too drunk to go and find the gun in the right truck, he was able to return and hit his target! A case of the all-too-common "win at any cost" mentality here, instead of holding people accountable for their actions - be they sane, insane or just filthy drunk!
Bandrow
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Post by ckswank on Aug 28, 2012 21:00:31 GMT -8
I ran across this just yesterday concerning Texas justice:
The Texas quote of the day for August 26th finds Judge Roy Bean admonishing a prisoner before sentencing him:
“Time will pass and seasons will come and go; spring with its wavin’ green grass and heaps of sweet-smellin flowers on every hill and dale. Then will come sultry summer, with her shimmerin’ heat-waves on the baked horizon; and fall with her yellow harvest-moon and the hills growin’ brown and golden under a sinkin’ Sun; and finally winter, with its bitin’, whinin’ wind, and all the land will be mantled with snow. But you won’t be here to, see any of ‘em, Carlos Manuel Robles; not by a damn sight, because it’s the order of this court that you be took to the nearest tree and hanged by the neck. The sheriff will ride off leaving you to dangle by the neck until you are dead, dead, dead!”
---- Trial decision by Judge Roy Bean
They didn't mess around with appeals back then!
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Post by wollastoni on Aug 28, 2012 23:17:30 GMT -8
Bandrow < the main problem was not that this guy was drunk... the main problem was that he has a gun in his truck. Rifle should be banned in the US like in Europe... you will have far less problem like this one. In Europe those 2 guys would have fight with their hands.
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Post by wingedwishes on Aug 29, 2012 3:45:23 GMT -8
"In Europe those 2 guys would have fight with their hands." Or knives. Violence will always find a way. Banning a gun won't stop the proclivity to kill. Banning anything does not change behavior. Meds in the public water supply might  . |
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Post by wingedwishes on Aug 29, 2012 3:48:32 GMT -8
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Post by wollastoni on Aug 29, 2012 4:12:43 GMT -8
wingedwishes < yes or knives. But if a drunk guy attacks me (or you) I'd prefer he uses a knife than a gun.
If all drunk people or psychos in Paris had a gun, we would have a mass shooting every month...
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Post by wingedwishes on Aug 29, 2012 10:18:34 GMT -8
A .22 caliber handgun would cause less damage than a Bowie knife. It is not relavent anyway. A person with the tendancy to violence will not be stopped by the lack of a gun to mortally injure someone. I don't care how chemically impaired I might become (and I don't drink much or often), I would never go get a gun and take a life. I don't think Parisians would either but I don't know very many. FYI - those convicted of crimes in America are generally not allowed to have a gun.....or vote. I am pretty good with a bow and arrow though.
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Post by papilio28570 on Aug 30, 2012 21:56:22 GMT -8
Yeah, but they get guns and vote anyway.
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Post by beetlehorn on Sept 2, 2012 17:32:10 GMT -8
Bandrow < the main problem was not that this guy was drunk... the main problem was that he has a gun in his truck. Rifle should be banned in the US like in Europe... you will have far less problem like this one. In Europe those 2 guys would have fight with their hands. I have never, or would ever want to hurt anyone, but I own several rifles for hunting. So should I give up my guns because you think it would solve the problem? The fact is that if law abiding people were forced to surrender their guns, there would always be illegal weapons for some "insane" individual to use against some innocent victim/s. Tom |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 19:06:43 GMT -8
Amen Tom.
'If guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns'
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Post by dertodesking on Sept 3, 2012 12:06:16 GMT -8
Amen Tom. 'If guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns'Tom/Bill, That really sums it up - as a Brit I'm not used to the general public having access to firearms (apart from a small number of licenced shotguns)...and I'm not sure that I'd want to live in a society where guns are so widely held. But I agree...our strict gun laws over here haven't sopped criminals accessing a ready supply of guns  Simon |
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Post by dertodesking on Sept 3, 2012 12:15:32 GMT -8
21 years is maximum sentence here in Norway, but as said before, his sentende is like that after 21 years it can be extended for another 5 years, and so on and so on. So in theory its possible to be in prison for the rest of his life, and its 99% sure he will be. Hi Wolf, Sorry - I somehow missed this post when you originally posted it or I'd have replied earlier. Anway...are you so sure that he'll never be released? I did a search on the web and came across another Norwegian serial killer named Arnfinn Nesset. For anyone that doesn't know of him (and I certainly didn't) in 1983 he was convicted of 22 murders he had committed at the nursing home where he worked...and was suspected of involvement in the murder of a total of 138 people. He was sentenced to 21 years in prison (the longest sentence available under Norwegian law) followed by ten years of "preventative detention" but was released after only twelve years (yes, 12  ) due to his "good behaviour" in prison!!! This can NOT be justice...even if after twelve years he was 100% rehabilitated what about punishment for what he had done??? Simon |
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Post by saturniidave on Sept 3, 2012 17:10:17 GMT -8
Oh I don't know Simon, I would totally believe that if it happened here.
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Post by colin12303 on Sept 5, 2012 0:52:46 GMT -8
What a bit of luck for the UK.
We have now added a Kenyan child abductor to our collection.
He has been here 5 years and Kenya wants him back to face justice.
But they can't have him because of his 'Human Rights'
I think Australia have got it right,they deport their criminals back to the country of origin straight after they have served their sentence.Even if they emigrated there as a child and it is now many years on.
They will be well looked after here,a new identity,nice place to live(next to a school if they are a paedo),and of course benefits.
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