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Post by timoinsects on Sept 5, 2012 7:03:17 GMT -8
sp.6 Attachments:
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Post by timoinsects on Sept 5, 2012 7:11:57 GMT -8
the last one sp.7 Papilio paris ssp.? i checked Papilio paris,they exist subspecies,so i am not sure if this is a subsp. from Tibet,or just Papilio paris paris? and BTW,why the name is P.paris? maybe by the name of the place where it was published as a new sp. in the begining in Paris of France? Attachments:
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Post by wollastoni on Sept 5, 2012 8:48:46 GMT -8
About Paris, I think it is more in honour of the Troyan prince, Paris.
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Post by teinopalpus on Sept 5, 2012 12:02:54 GMT -8
I will try.
Sp.1 and also Sp.6 - Byasa polyeuctes
Sp.2 upper - Papilio nephelus chaon
Sp.2 under - Papilio helenus
Sp.3 - Byasa dasarada ouvrardi /females/
Sp.4 upper - Papilio protenor
Sp.4 under - Papilio alcmenor
Sp.5 - Papilio bootes ssp.? / have you any from them for sale ? /
Sp.7 - for me it there is also big possibility specimen is Papilio bianor gladiator
friendly, Jan
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 5, 2012 13:47:00 GMT -8
I agree with Jan, specimen 7 is Papilio bianor gladiator, not Papilio paris.
The specimen with wings open "4b.jpg" appears to be a female of Papilio protenor, and the P. bootes are ssp. janaka.
Adam.
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Post by timoinsects on Sept 6, 2012 1:42:07 GMT -8
sp.1 and 6.
sp.1 are all bigger size than sp.6 they were caught in two different locality. sp.6 are small size. but,yes,the size differs from different locaities.
Sp.5 - Papilio bootes ssp.?
..........................................Yes,and i just have the two on the photos collected,and have to finlish the manangement of all leps specimens first.
thank you very much!
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Post by lepidofrance on Sept 6, 2012 5:23:39 GMT -8
"About Paris, I think it is more in honour of the Troyan prince, Paris"
Like Papilio ulysses, Graphium agamemnon and so many others butterflies, Papilio paris is a true homeric hero.
On the other hand, we have P. krishna, P. buddha and Papilio echerioides zoroastres ...
... and Coenonympha mahometana mahometana
In Gods we trust .... Anyway, entomology is ecumenical!
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Post by africaone on Sept 6, 2012 6:47:14 GMT -8
Anyway, entomology is ecumenical! even hinduism  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 6, 2012 12:43:40 GMT -8
"sp. 2" are Papilio nephelus chaon and Papilio helenus helenus, as Jan pointed out. The two species are easy to tell apart, as P. helenus has the white hindwing patch in 3 spaces and has red submarginal spots on the underside whereas P. nephelus chaon has a white hindwing patch consisting of 4 spots and on the underside the submarginal spots are usually yellowish or pale brown, but never bright red.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 6, 2012 12:53:18 GMT -8
Can you please tell me which valley system the P. bootes were collected in? "S.E. Tibet" is very vague. Since there are also dasarada ouvrardi present I would guess at the Nu-Jiang or Dulong-Jiang valleys rather than the Mekong river system. Certainly the bootes in the Dulong-Jiang valley should be ssp. janaka, so I think it is more likely they came from there.
Thanks,
Adam.
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Post by timoinsects on Sept 6, 2012 17:30:51 GMT -8
yes i can,
Nu-Jiang or Dulong-Jiang valleys ,i went the both locality before also,and a few leps were caught of course,just haven't checked them yet.
Hu
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 8, 2012 1:12:53 GMT -8
If I am correct this area is northwest of the tip of Kachin State (Myanmar) on the river that flows through eastern Arunachal Pradesh into the Brahmaputra valley in India. The bootes from there will definitely be ssp. janaka, but it is interesting that Byasa dasarada ouvrardi is also that far west.
Adam.
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