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Post by colin12303 on Sept 20, 2012 10:33:03 GMT -8
I have heared that both ssp of Charaxes martini from Malawi are presumed extinct due to habitat destruction.
I have not seen any specimens that are less than twenty years old.
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Post by africaone on Sept 20, 2012 22:19:25 GMT -8
who tell you this info ?
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Post by colin12303 on Sept 21, 2012 0:16:42 GMT -8
Collectors have been to the collecting spots,there is now a maize plantation where the nominate was,and Chingwes hole where helenae was caught is also unrecognisable.No specimens were taken.
This does not mean they can't be somewhere else,perhaps you know different?
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Post by africaone on Sept 21, 2012 2:00:10 GMT -8
very bad info !  |
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Post by colin12303 on Sept 21, 2012 6:53:58 GMT -8
Please explain!!!
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Post by wollastoni on Sept 21, 2012 7:02:26 GMT -8
"bad info" means "sad news" in French, not "wrong info" ;-)
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Post by africaone on Sept 21, 2012 7:18:36 GMT -8
thanks Olivier  |
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Post by colin12303 on Sept 21, 2012 8:00:56 GMT -8
Oh ok
I thought the info i had received was wrong and you knew of populations still going.
I got all excited for a while there.
It only came to mind as i'm setting my papered stuff and found a couple of male helenae i forgot i had.
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Post by africaone on Sept 21, 2012 8:25:25 GMT -8
I had to verify but i think I heared of specimens more recent than 20 years ! a few years as I remember
I am afraid that it can be right and that these species are highly endangered !
just a hope that foodplant grows also in rocky areas and may be it can survive in localities that the man don't need or in inacessible area !
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Post by boogtwo on Sept 21, 2012 10:04:58 GMT -8
Many "extinct" lepidoptera have turned up again many decades after last recorded despite lots of organised efforts to find them during those years, often in the exact same place. So they were never actually extinct. Makes it extremely hard to draw a line when a species/subspecies are in fact gone forever, even more so in a remote location not often visited by anyone who would know the difference.
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Post by africaone on Oct 4, 2012 23:35:22 GMT -8
there is a pair for sale in the ad 6677 ;D
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Post by colin12303 on Oct 5, 2012 9:53:19 GMT -8
Wow i just saw the ad.
If they go for those prices i will have to consider selling mine,and the thysi.
Thing is in the early eighties many ssp helenae males were taken and could be bought cheaply,i even gave some away as i had more than i needed.
The female was a whole lot harder to get,and i never did get one.
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Post by africaone on Oct 6, 2012 0:38:29 GMT -8
yes ... it was quite available some times ago (and bred !!)
for thysi, the male is quite common and has been sold in quantity (this is still available as it exist in the all equatorial forest in RDC, RPC and Gabon .. in some localities it is common !). the fdemale is harder to find as it seemes to fly high in the trees. may be interesting to try to bred it as it is has be done for taverniersi (the local hunters know the foodplant and put they trap near the foodplant).
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Post by africaone on Oct 6, 2012 3:25:05 GMT -8
note in the add
"... according to the forum is now extinct."
despite in the forum, it is said "presumed" extinct !
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Post by colin12303 on Oct 6, 2012 4:07:37 GMT -8
Not sure if they were bred.
I have a female nominate in my collection that was 'reared' from livestock obtained by Ivan Bampton,but never heard of anyone getting a pairing in captivity and taking them full circle.
Yes there were loads of male thysi around a few years ago and i have to admit i did stock up on them.
But i already had a few when they were like hens teeth.Yet another bug i never got the female of.
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