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Post by nomad on Apr 7, 2013 8:22:16 GMT -8
I would have to agree with Claude, it is all about microclimate, the Erebia epiphron colonies in Britain are much more northerly than those in Europe and thus this species is able to exist at a much lower altitude. Erebia epiphron is a mountain butterfly hence its common name and the height of countries mountains is quite irrelevant. Having walked up many of the British mountains sometimes in winter they are a rugged terrain whatever you might choose to call them. Subspecies mnemon rarely occurs as low as you mentioned and is usually found well above that height. Here is what Jeremey Thomas, one of the UK most accomplished butterfly experts has to say in the introduction to this species in his highly acclaimed ' The Butterflies of Britain & Ireland ' [2010]
" This small and dusky butterfly is confined nowadays to a few bleak mountain-tops in the English Lake District, and to the Grampians and other mountainsides in Scotland. It is our only true montane species, the sole relic of the first wave of cold-hardy butterflies that repopulated our lands when the last Great Ice Age receded, roughly 12,000 years ago"
Peter.
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Post by jonathan on Apr 7, 2013 22:42:20 GMT -8
Hi Claude & Peter, Yes you're both right. The height of the mountains is irrelevant as butterflies are interested in microclimates. The development of the larvae needs a particular temperate which can be found either at higher elevations in Central/South Europe or at lower elevations in Northern Europe. The microclimate would be roughly the same. I heard of people who bred Parnassius apollo in fridges in their house which is situated close to the sea in Italy and this shows that elevation is not important. As long as the insect has the required microclimate available, then it would be fine for it to grow and survive. @ Peter - I got fascinated with Satyrinae when I went for a collecting trip in Turkey way back in 2005. I loved collecting the beautiful Chazara & Pseudochazara especially, and that is from where I decided to focus my energies on Satyrinae. These 2 genera are still my most favorite genera and seeing a fresh Chazara bischoffii in flight makes one wonders how a brown butterfly can be so beautiful. When one takes a Satyrinae specimen on itself, I can understand that its beauty is not immediately apparent but when this subfamily is analysed in its entirety, then it becomes evident that the browns can be beautiful. Re. the British specimens, yes, Britain can be an exception since it's a very wet island and true sunshine can be quite a rarity. I guess you visited Lake District sometime between end June and mid July, right? Normally in Central & South Europe the sun gets too hot for these dark species and the only place where such specimens can be found is under the shade of trees. I noticed this behaviour even on the high altitudes in Switzerland. But as you rightly pointed out, there is always an exception to the rule. Here's a link to one of my most favorite Satyrinae - both specimens are in my collection : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chazara_bischoffii
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Post by nomad on Apr 8, 2013 12:47:56 GMT -8
Jonathan
Thank you for your interesting story. Yes you are right, my visit to the Lake District E. epiphron locality was at the end of June. When I first arrived it certainly was cold and misty and I have to wait for ages for the sunshine to come out. When it did the butterflies appeared on the wing keeping low to the ground because of the wind. They had a very efficient way of avoiding photographers, when they are disturbed they suddenly fly higher and then helped by the wind they are some way down the mountain side. I believe they use this method to avoid predators. To birds such as Meadow Pipits they are a tasty meal. Probably on these cold northern tops they need the warmth of sunshine to take to the wing. Even when the sun is obscured by the cloud for a short while they vanish. The weather as I have mentioned last year was awful and it is a wonder they found the time to mate and lay their eggs!
Radovan you certainly do learn a lot by breeding your butterflies and I forgot to mention that is one heck of a view from your window! Your Paper on E. epiphron is very interesting with some wonderful photos, I was most impressed by those of the early stages.
Peter.
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Post by jonathan on Apr 9, 2013 1:16:30 GMT -8
I always believed that breeding is the best method to understand a species. In fact currently I have loads of pots with Festuca ovina growing in them as I plan to experiment with some species as from next year. Roughly around 50 or (30%) of the European Satyrinae can grow on F. ovina @ Radovan - would it be possible to grant me your permission to upload a copy of your paper on my website under the page -scientific papers please?
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Post by jonathan on Apr 10, 2013 1:05:59 GMT -8
Hi Radovan, Your paper has been uploaded on my site. If you have any other papers in the future relating to Western Palearctic Satyrinae and you would like me to upload on my site, please feel free to contact me . A question I would like to ask you is what kind of camera and settings did you use to take the photos of the eggs & larval stages please?
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Post by saturniidave on Apr 10, 2013 18:19:50 GMT -8
Peter, interesting your observations on epiphron. When I have collected in Scotland I find C. tullia behave in this way, catching the wind and disappearing. But when I went for epiphron two things struck me. One was how common they were in the locality I went to, and two how damn fast they can fly when chased, and there was very little wind that day. We were lucky in that we actually had a warmish day with patchy cloud, so we could see for ourselves their habit of disappearing when a cloud covered the sun. But they did not just 'drop down into the grass' they actually gradually fluttered down and did fly for a short time after the sun went in. We got there just as the males were emerging and they were in pristine condition, but too damn quick and wary to photograph. I got one lousy shot of a battered one later! Too early for females obviously, otherwise I would have tried for eggs.
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Post by nomad on Apr 11, 2013 7:54:48 GMT -8
Hi Dave. I agree E. epiphron can be found in plenty in a good locality but it is still a very local species in the U.K. I have seen form scotica in two places in the Breadalbane Mountains a long time ago but I was too preoccupied with other things at the time to get some images. The males do fly very fast with a zigzag flight and as Radovan mentions the females prefer to sit around on herbage. Both sexes in the Lake District locality also often rest on rocks. Coenonympha tulla even for a brown is in my opinion one of the hardest UK butterflies to get close to, they seem to feel the vibrations as you move towards them in their wet moorland habitat. I got a few half decent images of C. tulla last year, see below. Peter. Below female of E. epiphron subspecies mnemon Lake District. Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Apr 11, 2013 8:02:41 GMT -8
Coenonympha tullia subspecies davus [ Fabricius 1777] Meathrop Moss [2012] NW England resting on Bog Asphodel [ Narthecium ossifragum] Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Apr 11, 2013 8:09:21 GMT -8
C. tullia subspecies scotica [Stadinger & Rebel 1901] which has few underside spots, Wester Ross North-west Highlands Scotland 2012. Attachments:
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Post by saturniidave on Apr 14, 2013 17:38:45 GMT -8
Peter, the place I saw them was north of Trinafour, near Rannoch. It ia superb place for several species and you can drive there! I took several males that time from within a few feet of the car. tullia scotica can be common there also if you hit the right week, as can A. aglaia and B. selene. Coire na Ciste on Cairngorm is also a good place for tullia and many high altitude moths. I shall be off there again next year all being well.
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Post by wollastoni on Jun 20, 2013 0:28:08 GMT -8
Thanks for these interesting pictures of British Satyrinae ! It proves once again that the British butterflies are really interesting !
Jonathan, your website is great ! Who knows, one day your website may exhibit all the Satyridae of the World ! I guess you still have a lot of work with all paleartic species and ssp.
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Post by nomad on Jun 20, 2013 11:45:36 GMT -8
Wollastoni, I am glad that you enjoyed the images of the British Satyrinae. Britain has a small butterfly fauna, but with lots of interesting subspecies and forms. My favourite British Satyrinae is the stunning Marbled White [ Melanargia galathea] and the Wall Brown [ Lasiommata megera]. My very first two butterflies that I caught with my home made net were two Satyrinae, the first a Small Heath [Coenonympha pamphilus] and the second the Wall Brown on a piece of wasteland near my home. Lasiommata megera is much declined in Southern England but is still frequent on the Wilts downs and still fairly common along the south coast. A few images that I have taken of the species mentioned. Melanargia galathea on musk thistle. Lasiommata megera basking male, female egg laying and then resting. The Wall has a very beautifully marked underside.
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Post by nomad on Jun 20, 2013 11:56:26 GMT -8
Peter, the place I saw them was north of Trinafour, near Rannoch. It ia superb place for several species and you can drive there! I took several males that time from within a few feet of the car. tullia scotica can be common there also if you hit the right week, as can A. aglaia and B. selene. Coire na Ciste on Cairngorm is also a good place for tullia and many high altitude moths. I shall be off there again next year all being well. Dave, did you manage to visit the highlands of Scotland this year, I visited the Western Highlands in early June with much success. I know the Cairngorms really well having trekked and camped all over them. I have enjoyed exploring the northern corries of Cairngorm, especially the giant Coire an Lochain for alpine plants and lepidoptera. My best find in the Cairngorms was finding a new locality for the Mountain Burnet moth [ Zygaena exulans] which is a very rare species in Britain and only found here.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 23, 2013 0:28:31 GMT -8
Thanks for these interesting pictures of British Satyrinae ! It proves once again that the British butterflies are really interesting ! Jonathan, your website is great ! Who knows, one day your website may exhibit all the Satyridae of the World ! I guess you still have a lot of work with all paleartic species and ssp. Hmmmm. A good idea on paper but I learnt that our hobby is so vast that unless one specifically specializes on a small group of insects, you will neve rsee the light at the end of the tunnel. Jonathan www.satyrinae.yolasite.com/
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