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Post by miguel on Aug 23, 2013 9:57:40 GMT -8
Here near the east coast of Spain now are flying Pseudotergumia fidia,Neohipparchia statilinus or Charaxes jasius.
Miguel
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Post by nomad on Aug 23, 2013 11:16:00 GMT -8
I shall never forget seeing Charaxes jasius very late in the season, among the Strawberry trees on the coast of Kefalonia  Happy memories. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 12:09:34 GMT -8
I have mixed memories of c jasius, one the one hand it was wonderful watching this species and taking a series in the hills above the town of Tossa de Mar in Northern Spain, on the other most unpleasant being chased back down again by a wild pig, I wont forget both experiences.
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Post by nomad on Aug 23, 2013 13:49:47 GMT -8
Funny you should mention Wild Pigs. When in Kefalonia, I was hiking with my wife in the mountains which had become a national park. Many of the small holdings and a number of farms had been deserted, but it seems that some of the former owners livestock was left behind in the form of huge pigs, similar to wild boars, which had become wild but were still by now unafraid of man and who now thought that they owned this piece of real estate [ Animal Farm ]. As we rounded a bend in the track, a sow with many piglets made for us hell bent on protected her own. Luckily, a boundary wall which led for some way pass the pigs, prevented us from meeting again. Apart from that, the walk was magical with many Gonepteryx cleopatra and profusion of flora.
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Post by nomad on Aug 24, 2013 12:14:59 GMT -8
Getting back to the recent sightings and reported breeding of Papilio machaon gorganus this year in Southern England, it has been recorded in this thread that this subspecies has established itself here temporarily before. One of the best recorded examples was by C.W. Dale [ 1851-1906 ] , he mentions that at Glanvilles Wootton in Dorset, Papilio machaon used to be frequent before 1816. J. C. Dale [ 1792-1872 ] his father took the butterfly during the following years
June 22nd, 26th, 27th, July 2nd, 3rd, 17th, August, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 17th 1808.
Sept 1st 1809
August 16th, 19th, 24th 1810
August 5th, 8th 1811
June 8, July 14th 1812
July 11th, 12th, Aug 11th, 14th, 17th 20th 1815
August 22nd 1816, the last specimen in this locality caught on a thistle
C.W. Dale records that this species died out at Glanvilles Wootton due to drainage, cultivation and the keeping of more cattle and were in his opinion the chief causes of the disappearance of this notable butterfly in that locality.
It is of course possible that the gorganus subspecies established itself at Glanvilles Wootton only for the seven year period, but was it a resident before 1808 when Dale's recording and collecting began and how long had it been there. Perhaps it is a fitting tribute to these two giants of British Entomology, that one of the places larvae were found this year was in Dorset.
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Post by smallcopper on Aug 26, 2013 2:29:06 GMT -8
The Glanville Wootton P.machaon gorganus presence in the 19th century recorded by Dale is fairly well-known. Perhaps less well-known is a mid 20th century series of records, also in Dorset, recorded by Parkinson Curtis. At the least, 1945 was another 'good year', and at best there is some evidence of breeding attempt(s) being made.
Wareham, 22 July, 1945 (others on the 22nd and 24th July, 1945)
Wallsdown, on 31 July, 1945
Swanage, on 2 Aug. 1945
Studland, 6 Aug. 1945
Ashmore, five seen at one time, 10 Aug. 1945
Blandford, larva end of Aug. 1945
Larva in 1945 on Pan Hill, Bryanstone
Harman’s Cross, near Swanage, two fullgrown larvae on carrots, 9 Sept. 1945
Weymouth , Lodmoor on 11 May, 1946
Poole, 14 Aug. 1946
Cerne Abbas, one seen 7 Aug. 1947
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Post by nomad on Aug 26, 2013 9:51:01 GMT -8
Hi Small copper, I believe the mid 1940's were good years for rare migrants especially 1945. 1945 was Britain's great Bath White [Pontia daplidice] year. This year seems very good, I have just seen five Clouded yellows on the North Wilts downs, making the third female that I have seen this year. Should be a brood in Sept/October. A number of Long-tailed Blues [ Lampides boeticus ] have been seen and photographed in Kent, good to see this very rare migrant has arrived.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 26, 2013 12:55:03 GMT -8
Amusingly we have Pontia daplidice, Lampides boeticus and Vanessa cardui here in Thailand too.
Adam.
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Post by nomihoudai on Aug 26, 2013 14:31:12 GMT -8
What elevations does Pontia daplidice fly at? I once saw a mixed lot of Vietnamese butterflies and didn't want to purchase them as they had European like Pieridae mixed with tropical species. I believed that they must have mixed two completely different habitats.
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Post by smallcopper on Aug 27, 2013 0:20:50 GMT -8
Hi Small copper, I believe the mid 1940's were good years for rare migrants especially 1945. 1945 was Britain's great Bath White [Pontia daplidice] year. This year seems very good, I have just seen five Clouded yellows on the North Wilts downs, making the third female that I have seen this year. Should be a brood in Sept/October. A number of Long-tailed Blues [ Lampides boeticus ] have been seen and photographed in Kent, good to see this very rare migrant has arrived. Ah yes, '45 was famously the great P.daplidice year. I'd forgotten! Am hopeful someone will raise a 'British' series of L.boeticus this year. Were I still living in Kent, I'd be spending my every moment in the St Margaret's Bay valley and surrounds... |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 27, 2013 8:04:57 GMT -8
What elevations does Pontia daplidice fly at? I once saw a mixed lot of Vietnamese butterflies and didn't want to purchase them as they had European like Pieridae mixed with tropical species. I believed that they must have mixed two completely different habitats. Well, I'm not sure about Pontia daplidice in Vietnam, but here in Thailand it can be found from about 500 m altitude upwards, but only in the far north of Chiang Mai (Chiang Dao, Fang etc) early in the year. We also have several species of Pieris here, brassicae, rapae, napi and canidia. The latter is the commonest here, and the only one not also found in the UK. Pieris brassicae, rapae and napi are only found in the mountains in the north, whereas canidia is even found around Chiang Mai. Adam. |
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Post by wollastoni on Aug 27, 2013 10:08:03 GMT -8
Saw Lampides boeticus in Brittany in August, I told you guys it would reach Britain this year ! :-)
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Post by pips on Aug 28, 2013 0:19:06 GMT -8
Allready posted this picture in a previous thread but when showing machaon aberrations this should also be shown. A nice P. machaon verityi. Attachments:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 28, 2013 8:45:52 GMT -8
Where is it from? It doesn't have the normal double crescent over the red anal eyespot always present in ssp. verityi, but that could be due to the abnormality.
Adam.
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Post by pips on Aug 28, 2013 9:58:41 GMT -8
Hello Adam, the collecting data are: China, Yunnan, Kunming. The specimen also states ex pupa so not a specimen caught in nature. Could it be some kind of hybrid specimen or is it just some kind of abnormal red form?
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