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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 3, 2013 3:24:46 GMT -8
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Post by nomad on Nov 3, 2013 4:15:17 GMT -8
Very nice specimens from a wide area of the Far East, what do you consider your best find at the fair?
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 3, 2013 6:06:09 GMT -8
Hmm that is a though question as I had many good finds. The Antigius shizuyai is as far as my knowledge goes a very local species, so it was a great find, but it was the most expensive specimen I bought. I think the Lycaena violacea was the best find, I think 15€ is rather cheap and the quality is great (showm picture has not been enhanced). It brings my Lycaena sp. collection one step closer to completion.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 3, 2013 6:16:59 GMT -8
Caerulea coeligena from Yunnan, China. Leg. Robert Westphal. The ventral side is a bit battered but I bought the species mainly for the underside... I assume you meant to say the "dorsal side is a bit battered", as ventral is the underside. Very nice specimens! Adam. |
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Post by nomad on Nov 3, 2013 6:28:56 GMT -8
. It brings my Lycaena sp. collection one step closer to completion. If your Lycaenidae is near completion, you must have a very large and fine collection, Do you collect Lycaenidae from from different regions or specialize in collecting those from certains areas?. |
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 3, 2013 6:43:27 GMT -8
Yes Adam, I must have been half asleep when writing that text. I corrected it in the original post. Thanks for pointing it out.
Peter, I wrote Lycaena and not Lycaenidae. My Palearctic Lycaena collection is now nearly half way done as I have 17 of 37 Palearctic species.
My collection is not that large yet and far from completing worldwide Lycaenidae (although I have a few hundred species already). I don't specialise in any region specifically but I must say that most of my species come from Asia. This has to do with the fact that I don't have any supplier for African or South American species, and when I go collecting myself I rather enjoy spending my time in some Asian country.
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Post by nomad on Nov 3, 2013 9:07:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the info, I think I must me half asleep as well, especially as I am plagued with a heavy cold. I recently inquired about a pair of Lycaena dispar dispar, the extinct British race. The person who buys old collections and sells historic British butterflies, did not not have any in stock but is negotiating for a collection, which contains a few pairs. I was quoted a price of a thousand pounds for a pair with good data if he obtains them. The average price for a single specimen is around £500 pounds today. I am afraid, well out of my price range for that type of insect but, they would be nice to own. Regards Peter.
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 3, 2013 9:18:36 GMT -8
Yes Lycaena dispar dispar is nice and obviously missing in my collection too. I won't even consider to buy a pair of them in the near future as for £1000 I can literally buy hundreds of other species that I can enjoy just as much.
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Post by nomad on Nov 3, 2013 9:55:16 GMT -8
I agree, so much you could buy instead of a single L. dispar dispar pair, especially when you can buy a dozen L. dispar batavus larvae from a well known English dealer cheaply. The Dutch race is very very close to the extinct British nominate race. Do you believe there were any differences between the two subspecies.
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 3, 2013 11:18:35 GMT -8
Of course there were differences. I cannot completely judge the differences in color and markings between both subspecies (as I only have one picture of L. dispar dispar) but from the pictures I got they look very different. Lycaena dispar batavius had been chosen as their biology was supposed to be the closest to the English subspecies. L. dispar does also occur in the south of Luxembourg, but there it is a species of hot and rather dry fields.
There is many papers on the biology of L. dispar batavius, L. dispar dispar and the introduced stock in England. We had this topic once.
There is many more interesting and "obscure" species in that genus that would deserve attention. I have for example never seen specimen of L. kiyokoae, L. sichuanica, L. pavana, L. aeolus, L. pang and L. tseng for sale. For example Lycaena pang and Lycaena tseng are supposed to occur in a large area (Bozano, Lycaenidae part I), why are they barely available?
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Post by robert61 on Nov 3, 2013 11:41:49 GMT -8
I have collected over 10 years ago on my trips to China and Tibet Lycaena tseng, pang,pavana(India),ouang,standfussi...but most are flying in so small places and very concentrated to the foodplants,so that you can walk only few meters close to the places without seeing them...it is just lot of luck to find them and once you know the localities and plants you find the adults sitting on,it is easier to locate them.
Robert
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Post by homard on Nov 6, 2013 1:21:18 GMT -8
Some goodies that I picked up at the fair: Agriades leela male from India, I like the white rings on the wings. Chrysozephyrus from Laos, identified as C. intermedia. Caerulea coeligena from Yunnan, China. Leg. Robert Westphal. The ventral dorsal side is a bit battered but I bought the species mainly for the underside... ... as I like these Glaucopsyche-like markings. Lycaena violacea from Mongolia. Antigius shizuyai from Myanmar.  , So beautiful Lycaenids! In particular, I like the most Agriades leela, Caerulea coeligena and Lycaena violacea The latter I should have somewhere from S. Transbaikal. I noticed you're have a special love for Lycaenidae, both from your avatar and from your site. Last night I've spent some time there decoding the labels. That apeared not so easy task as I supposed initially. Many labels are out of focus, on many the most important part of the locality is not seen or seen just partially. So I spent 5-15 minutes on each of such ones I have collected over 10 years ago on my trips to China and Tibet Lycaena tseng, pang,pavana(India),ouang,standfussi...but most are flying in so small places and very concentrated to the foodplants,so that you can walk only few meters close to the places without seeing them...it is just lot of luck to find them and once you know the localities and plants you find the adults sitting on,it is easier to locate them. Robert Very interesting observations! Cool, Robert, I envy! Thus it might be applicable to other Lycaena too, not only to Chinese ones. E.g. as I mentioned above I should have one L.violaceus from S.Transbaikal but it's only the single specimen  Apparently I have been unable to find it's locus... Alex |
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 6, 2013 13:53:56 GMT -8
Thanks, I "only" have this specimen from Mongolia, I hope to get more of them one day. Regrding the single specimen you caught... maybe it was the spring generation ? If they behave like Lycaena dispar in Europe then the spring species will jsut be single specimen scattered around the place.
Yes some of them are out of focus. I put them online on purpose in the hope that people can still read them. Also on some label information will be missing. It is no problem to submit labels with fewer data points or skip them although I will be happy for every field that can be filled out.
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Post by homard on Nov 8, 2013 4:52:24 GMT -8
I dunno if the June might be considered as it's first generation. Probably, yes. The most of Lycaena here in my home area also are very rare in June. The only time I collected [relatively] plenty of L.dispar it was on irrigated alfalfa fields near Engles in the end of summer, that is it's second generation undoubtedly. Genuine move - to make it online and add the game!  I noticed you have special imterest in L. phlaeas. To my pleasure, there are some specimens from the ex-USSR. Here I feel myself 'at home' and can do my the best even with partially seen labels! |
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 8, 2013 11:16:12 GMT -8
Thanks!
This special interest in L. phlaeas is not mine but is the one of Ulf Eitchberger. I photographed his collection and he had approximately 50 drawers of Lycaena phlaeas only. The collection was very interesting and I hope to be able to draw great distribution maps with it and find out more things about the biology of this species.
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Apparently I have been unable to find it's locus...