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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 5, 2013 12:22:46 GMT -8
Adam, b.t.w. do you know P.blumei occidentalis and P. blumei magnificus ? Are they synonyms ? regards, Manfred Yes, both these names are synonyms of Papilio blumei blumei. Adam. |
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Post by hewi on Dec 5, 2013 13:50:16 GMT -8
Adam, thank you!
So this question - that had occupied me for such a long time - is solved finally.
regards,
Manfred
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Post by nomad on Dec 5, 2013 13:54:30 GMT -8
I find it interesting that when he first described P. blumei, Boisduval [ 1836 ] gave the island of Ambon and not the Celebes as the type locality. Also that P. blumei fruhstorferi from the southern part of the Celebes [ Sulawesi ] was originally described as a separate species Papilio fruhstorferi [ Rober 1897 ]
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 5, 2013 14:31:54 GMT -8
Adam, thank you! So this question - that had occupied me for such a long time - is solved finally. regards, Manfred To qualify my explanation, occidentalis was described from Pasangkayu, which is on the west coast of Sulawesi south of Palu town, and magnificus was described with just the locality 'Nord-Celebes', so clearly belongs to ssp. blumei too. Adam. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 5, 2013 14:37:35 GMT -8
I find it interesting that when he first described P. blumei, Boisduval [ 1836 ] gave the island of Ambon and not the Celebes as the type locality. Also that P. blumei fruhstorferi from the southern part of the Celebes [ Sulawesi ] was originally described as a separate species Papilio fruhstorferi [ Rober 1897 ] I don't know why Boisduval gave an incorrect locality for Papilio blumei, probably he either assumed that the type came from Ambon, or was deliberately misled (it happened back then, just as it does nowadays). As for Roeber describing Papilio fruhstorferi as a separate species, that was actually a very common occurrence at about that time; just look for example at Frederick Moore, who not only described subspecies as separate species, but described new genus names for many closely related species of Papilionidae as well. Adam. |
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Post by hewi on Dec 5, 2013 14:44:05 GMT -8
I find it interesting that when he first described P. blumei, Boisduval [ 1836 ] gave the island of Ambon and not the Celebes as the type locality. Also that P. blumei fruhstorferi from the southern part of the Celebes [ Sulawesi ] was originally described as a separate species Papilio fruhstorferi [ Rober 1897 ]
Yes, you are right Peter. Röber described fruhstorferi as a separate species.
But he was very inconsistent, as in the last sentence of his description,
he described his "new" species as a local form of blumei !!!
Here is his original German text: "Die vorstehend beschriebene Lokalform des P. blumei
ist von der typischen Form desselben (aus Nord-Celebes)derartig verschieden,
dass ihre besondere Benennung völlig gerechtfertigt erscheint."
Manfred
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Post by hewi on Dec 5, 2013 14:57:49 GMT -8
Adam, do you have ever seen specimens from Kolaka,south-west Sulawesi ?
They appear to me to be somewhat different.
Manfred
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Post by papilio28570 on Dec 5, 2013 18:51:50 GMT -8
Personally, I find all the swallowtails in the gloss or Achillides group to be absolutely stunning. When I first caught Papilio daedalus in the Philippines, it was a heart stopping moment for me. Utterly beautiful on the wing.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 6, 2013 1:26:24 GMT -8
Adam, do you have ever seen specimens from Kolaka,south-west Sulawesi ? They appear to me to be somewhat different. Manfred I don't remember seeing Papilio blumei from that part of Sulawesi, theoretically they should be ssp. blumei, but of course that would depend on phenotype. Can you post photos of some Kolaka specimens? Kolaka is not really 'South-west', it's on the west side of the southeastern peninsula. South-west Sulawesi is the area around Makassar, Bantimurung, Camba etc where ssp. fruhstorferi occurs. Adam. |
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Post by hewi on Dec 6, 2013 9:52:53 GMT -8
Here are the fotos of the specimens from Kolaka. Both are rather big, wingspan 12,3 and 11,3 cm, forewing length 7,3 and 6,7 cm. The underside appears to be somewhat different than blumei and fruhstorferi, particularly in the hind wings. Manfred Attachment Deleted Attachment Deleted |
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Post by nomad on Dec 6, 2013 10:40:39 GMT -8
 Again very nice specimens Manfred. Here is another Swallowtail that I really like, Papilio pericles from Timor. Easily obtainable, but again what a beauty. I have heard that, it is not that common in nature, but is bred for the trade in large numbers. Discovered by the great Alfred Russel Wallace. 
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Again very nice specimens Manfred. Here is another Swallowtail that I really like, Papilio pericles from Timor. Easily obtainable, but again what a beauty. I have heard that, it is not that common in nature, but is bred for the trade in large numbers. Discovered by the great Alfred Russel Wallace.