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Post by megagyas on Jan 2, 2014 7:00:46 GMT -8
There wasn't much sleep that night waiting for day to break so that I could get back to that spot in the Green Mountains. Happy New year! HR
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Post by evra on Jan 2, 2014 20:44:27 GMT -8
P. plantaginis is actually found in the western U.S. as well. The genus Grammia is large with various species all throughout North America. Many of the 'rare' species are recently described from the western U.S. look similar to each other. Most of the western ones are locally common for a short flight in late June through mid July, with only the males coming to lights. Females are very hard to get, as you pretty much have to rear them from wild collected larvae which are hard to find. I think the larvae of many species are nocturnal which explains why they are rarely found. I'll admit that I'm not that much of an expert on the genus, as I've only collected 7-8 species, but Colorado, Utah, and Arizona have a pretty high diversity of species. Even though most are generalist feeders, they seem to have kind of strict habitat preferences, so rarely do more than 2 species fly together. For example G. blakei prefers sandy areas around 5000-6000 feet elevation. That's where I have collected it anyway.
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Post by nomad on Jan 3, 2014 3:20:35 GMT -8
Hi, evra. It is interesting that you have a subspecies of P. plantaginis, it is certainly a wide ranging Holarctic moth. It is exciting that many moth species such as those from the Grammia genus are still be found and described by your entomologists in the U.S. One U.S. entomologist, Vernon Antoine from Louisiana has described over 300 species of moths, which include the so called micros in the last 40 years. In the U.K we could only dream of finding new species of moths, they are very rarely encountered. I have not heard of a entomologist finding and describing that many species of lepidoptera since the days of the great Rothschild collectors. Truly staggering.
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Post by evra on Jan 3, 2014 8:52:24 GMT -8
Yes, well Grammias were kind of a mess. It was known that there were lots of species complexes for a long time, but there is such individual variation among all the species, like most Arctiids, that it was hard to know what was specific variation vs. individual variation. A lot of the species have very similar looking wings, but the differences from species to species have to do with eyes, antennae, and genitalia.
I know a lot of British collectors lament the lack of diversity on the British isles, but I wonder if it was always like that. If you could go back to Roman times and black light I wonder what you would find. With hundreds of years worth of communal grazing of sheep and other poor land management practices, I wonder how many Lepidoptera species went extinct before they were even known. The U.S. has been a bit more fortunate, but some habitats like old growth deciduous forest and prairies have been almost completely wiped out.
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Post by leptraps on Jan 3, 2014 14:43:22 GMT -8
There are many groups of moths in North America that are much like Grammia. Another genus is Copablepharon. I have collected about 12 species since 1993. There where only 9 species when I became interested in Copablepharon and there are now (2012) 16 species, and more to come I am sure. Another genus is Sympistis. In 2008 ZooTaxa Publication, 51 new species were described from North America. When collecting in western North America, there are large areas that have never been seriously collected. I have several hundred specimens of Noctuids that I cannot identify. And the more I collect, the more I cannot identify. I love collecting out west. These I have identified, can you??
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Post by evra on Jan 3, 2014 18:19:34 GMT -8
I think one of those Schinias is S. jaguarima (pair to be precise), the others I'd have to look up. I'm out in the field collecting Cucullines at the moment. I have plenty of un-IDed western Noctuids too.
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Post by joee30 on Jan 3, 2014 19:07:44 GMT -8
Evra, would you think that the Great Basin would be a good place to study moths?
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Post by leptraps on Jan 3, 2014 19:54:47 GMT -8
The Schinia in the previous post are Schinia annabellae, a new species that will be described in the new MONA fascicle on Heliothinae. Prior to 2012, there were a three previous records reported from east of the Mississippi River. They were thought to be Schinia jaguarina. WHile collecting in the Pine Barrens in Perry County in southern Indiana, I collected over 70 specimens. I gave a series to Dr. Michael Pogue of the Smithsonian who did the DNA and there are new species, Schinia anabellae. The Perry County, Indiana area has been little collected and studied for moths. In 2012 I collected the area twice a week and collected some interesting moths. One never knows what he will find in his Light Traps in the morning. I am currently working in the Leavenworth Barrens in Harrison County, Indiana with a research permit from the Indiana DNR. I have collected 12 species of Lithophane and 4 species of Eupsilia in my bait traps this November/December. Collecting Winter Moths is a challenge. Currently we are in the grip of a Arctic cold front. But warm days lay ahead and moths will fly. The photographs are a side by side comparisons. Schinia anabellae on the left Schinia jaguarina on the right.
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Post by leptraps on Jan 3, 2014 20:04:45 GMT -8
The Sympistis moths (Black & White) are Sympistis balleata. Although not a new species, but one that is seldom encountered. They were collected at the Killpecker Dunes, Sweetwater County, Wyoming. I have added over 60 new species of moths to my collection from this location alone. And I have several UFO's that I cannot identify.
I am planning a trip to Killpecker Dunes in mid-August. I intend collect there for several day and employ bait traps and phermone trap. Could prove to be an interesting trip.
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Post by evra on Jan 3, 2014 21:40:40 GMT -8
Joee- I don't know what you're looking for. In the sagebrush dominated areas of the Great Basin, the best little moth collecting, especially for Noctuids is in August. I honestly haven't collected it that much. This summer, specifically in the last week of August, I did spectacularly well especially considering the area I was in. There were long stretches where there wasn't even a weed, just a barren wasteland. Then I hit a dry riverbed where at least some plants were growing in reasonable numbers and got lots of all kinds of rare things. In the Mojave desert around Death Valley and related areas, it is best in the spring and fall. The eastern Sierra Nevada Mountains have a lot of treasures though. They would probably be your best bet.
You should really collect in Arizona Leroy. You could collect every night from mid June to mid September and probably only have 1-2 bad nights in the whole trip. You'd go home with 1000 new species, and you still wouldn't have half of the species in the state. Not just southern Arizona either. The White Mountains in the eastern part of the state are a treasure trove by themselves. The northern part has most of the Great Basin species. Each mountain range in southern Arizona has different neat stuff, especially the Chiricahuas. The central portion has its set of moths as well. The western portion is mostly desert and has its set too, but it's generally too hot for good collecting in the summer.
The winter moth collecting has been pretty good. Several species of Lithophane have been common. I've even gotten some Drasterias, which is interesting.
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Post by nomad on Jan 4, 2014 3:35:20 GMT -8
I know a lot of British collectors lament the lack of diversity on the British isles, but I wonder if it was always like that. If you could go back to Roman times and black light I wonder what you would find. With hundreds of years worth of communal grazing of sheep and other poor land management practices, I wonder how many Lepidoptera species went extinct before they were even known. The U.S. has been a bit more fortunate, but some habitats like old growth deciduous forest and prairies have been almost completely wiped out. Hi evra, yes there have been massive land changes in England, with much greedy land development and changes in farming and woodland practices here. However, we are only a small island compared to the gigantic continent that you live in However, in spite of all this there are still many good moth habitats in England and huge areas of mountains and Moorlands in Northern England, Scotland [ maybe an independent country this year ]and Wales. We have lots of extant endemic subspecies, often to be found on the large range of Northern Islands. The moth fauna here is still very diverse, as I have mentioned in other threads,around 2550 species of moths is quite a number for an island. This is because of the large range of habitats from lowland heaths to Mountains. There have been much decline in once common moths in England, but there have also been increases. Yes we lament the loss of our extinct species, but the history of these and the rarely seen specimens of them is still an important part of our moth history. We have had losses, but also gains, some 27 new species of moths have arrived here to breed, since the year 2000 and the immigration of rare species is gaining strength from Europe. During the 19th century there were a numerous number of excellent field entomologists and much of the biology of the British insects has long been known. Oh, to collect in unspoilt England in Roman times, well there's a thought . Here is a link to a very interesting report. The State of Britain's Larger Moths in 2013. butterfly-conservation.org/files/state-of-britains-larger-moths-2013-report.pdf
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Post by timsbugs on Jan 4, 2014 11:54:00 GMT -8
The Sympistis moths (Black & White) are Sympistis balleata. Although not a new species, but one that is seldom encountered. They were collected at the Killpecker Dunes, Sweetwater County, Wyoming. I have added over 60 new species of moths to my collection from this location alone. And I have several UFO's that I cannot identify. I am planning a trip to Killpecker Dunes in mid-August. I intend collect there for several day and employ bait traps and phermone trap. Could prove to be an interesting trip. Thanks Leroy for sharing some of your amazing experiences! Your trip to Killpecker Dunes sounds like a great trip, can’t wait to hear all about it. Every time I open one of your bucket traps I’m amazed to see what I’ve collected. I’ve fashioned a few of my own over the years but none are as good as the original! They take a beating and keep on glowing. I had one 4 day trip this year where I ran 6 bucket traps every night with amazing results. Thanks again, Tim
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Post by leptraps on Jan 5, 2014 17:29:09 GMT -8
I have collected in Arizona many times. I may return in 2017 if all goes as planned. However, I am retired and most of my trips west are journeys of 3 to 5 weeks. I plan trips to areas that are poorly collected and I have been rather successful. However, there are locations that I have collected 10 or more times and I plan on returning to some in the future.
In 2014 I will be attending the Lepidopterists Society’s Annual Meeting in Park City, Utah. After the meeting I will spend some time in Ashley NF, Daggett County in NE Utah, then to Killpecker Dunes, Sweetwater County, WY, Beartooth Plateau in Wyoming/Montana, and then to the Grand River NGL in NW South Dakota and then return home.
I have another trip planned for the 3rd week in August to Eastern Colorado and Wyoming (Killpecker Dunes) for Schinia moths and the first week of October to Texas (Welder WMA) for more Schinia.
I think that should be enough for 2014?
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Post by joee30 on Jan 7, 2014 18:03:21 GMT -8
I'm going to do a lot of lighting here in the Reno area and the surrounding areas. I'm also collecting the eastern sierras, including Monitor Pass and the Carson Range. Maybe will hit the Warner Mts. in Modoc Co, California along with some of the mountain ranges in Eastern Nevada. I'm just trying to get a general knowledge of what is over here.
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Post by surroundx on Jul 12, 2015 7:52:19 GMT -8
The U.K's butterfly fauna has seen a number of important losses, the loss of habitat has again been responsible for a number of extinctions, although many would perhaps disagree, heavy collection pressure almost certainly helped towards the loss of a number of interesting geographical populations and races of our butterflies in the 19th century. Examples are certain Large Blue Maculinea arion ssp eutyphron colonies in the Cotswolds, and one in Somerset and at Barnwell Wold in Northants. Another great article by nomad: Andrews, Peter. (2015). A History of the Large Blue Maculinea arion subspecies eutyphron (Fruhstorfer, 1915) in Somerset [Online]. Available from www.dispar.org/reference.php?id=107 [Accessed July 10, 2015].
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