|
|
Post by Sergey Kovalev on Feb 17, 2014 0:55:22 GMT -8
  Hello all. At the left a male from Kibale Forest - W.Uganda (It was bought as Papilio mechowi mechowi) On the center two males from the central Cameroon - Mbalmayo (Were bought without name) On the right a male and a female from RCA (Were bought as Papilio gallienus) Help to understand, please, who is who actually. And if here two sp., than they differ. |
|
|
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 17, 2014 9:31:14 GMT -8
Probably these are all Papilio mechowi, although it is possible the lower specimen in the middle of the photos could be gallienus. These two species are very similar indeed, but males of gallienus can be distinguished by the distinct androconial patch and by the fuzzy edge to the discal spots of the forewings.
Certainly the so called gallienus from RCA are Papilio mechowi.
Adam.
|
|
|
|
Post by cabintom on Feb 17, 2014 9:57:40 GMT -8
I hope it's alright that I add a specimen of my own. I caught this in the Ituri Forest, near Mambasa, DRC. I had thought it was P. gallienus, but now I'm not so sure... I know it's in bad shape, but you catch what you can find.
Tom
|
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 17, 2014 11:26:04 GMT -8
This is also probably Papilio mechowi.
Adam.
|
|
|
|
Post by Sergey Kovalev on Feb 18, 2014 1:38:11 GMT -8
|
|
|
|
Post by africaone on Feb 18, 2014 2:22:07 GMT -8
Probably these are all Papilio mechowi, although it is possible the lower specimen in the middle of the photos could be gallienus. These two species are very similar indeed, but males of gallienus can be distinguished by the distinct androconial patch and by the fuzzy edge to the discal spots of the forewings. Certainly the so called gallienus from RCA are Papilio mechowi. Adam. I inclined to think same as Adam. Note also the postdiscal patches, in internervural median area, more angulated externaly, with the lower male tending to zenobia. |
|
|
|
|
|
Post by Sergey Kovalev on Feb 19, 2014 0:19:41 GMT -8
 Dear Adam, Thierry Look, please, once again at a photo. I made larger. Whether really right copy is gallienus ? It is very difficult to me to translate Thierry's comment through Google-translator. Whether correctly I understand, what at Papilio gallienus at a white strip of the bottom wings external angle less sharp ? If yes, that on mine they identical. Serg |
|
|
|
Post by cabintom on Feb 19, 2014 4:48:57 GMT -8
From what I've read ( atbutterflies.com ), gallienus is supposed to have "creamy yellow" coloured bands, which are narrow and "curved on inner edge". Which is why I had initially assumed my specimen was gallienus.
Tom
|
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 19, 2014 6:15:29 GMT -8
View AttachmentDear Adam, Thierry Look, please, once again at a photo. I made larger. Whether really right copy is gallienus ? It is very difficult to me to translate Thierry's comment through Google-translator. Whether correctly I understand, what at Papilio gallienus at a white strip of the bottom wings external angle less sharp ? If yes, that on mine they identical. Serg Sergey, The specimen on the right does look rather like gallienus, certainly compared to the one on the left. However, it is not possible to see the androconial scales in the photo. If it really is gallienus it should have obvious patches of androconial scales on the brown area of the forewing. You should be able to see the difference by looking at the two specimens at an angle, but it is very difficult to see in a photo. If there is no obvious difference then probably this specimen is just a variation of Papilio mechowi. Thierry was not talking about the hindwing, he meant that the outer edge of the forewing discal band is straighter in gallienus. Adam. |
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 19, 2014 6:17:07 GMT -8
From what I've read ( atbutterflies.com ), gallienus is supposed to have "creamy yellow" coloured bands, which are narrow and "curved on inner edge". Which is why I had initially assumed my specimen was gallienus. Tom The band colour is quite variable, and in the case of your specimen it is yellow because of age. Adam. |
|
|
|
Post by Sergey Kovalev on Feb 19, 2014 6:46:27 GMT -8
Dear Adam,
Thank you very much.
Yes most likely these copies - both Papilio mechowi mechowi.
Serg
|
|
|
|
Post by africanentomology on Feb 22, 2014 7:08:08 GMT -8
Dear Sergey,
I think you have two Papilio gallienus on your larger photo.
Best
Philippe
|
|
|
|
Post by africanentomology on Feb 23, 2014 2:47:08 GMT -8
 Here photo with difference 1 : Smaller yellow macule for Papilio gallienus 2 : more pointed (less rounded) and with a more open angle for Papilio gallienus Philippe |
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 23, 2014 7:17:14 GMT -8
Philippe,
Where are your specimens from?
Adam.
|
|
|
|
Post by africanentomology on Mar 16, 2014 1:30:26 GMT -8
Adam,
My Papilio gallienus came from Congo (RDC), South - Ubangi
My Papilio mechowi whitnalli came from Uganda
I will put more photos in two weeks
Philippe
|
|
