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Post by admin on Feb 21, 2011 13:21:24 GMT -8
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 21, 2011 14:44:56 GMT -8
Old Victorian style ? What is that ?
Let's click on play...
OH MY GOD #MY HEART#
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Post by saturniidave on Feb 21, 2011 15:46:14 GMT -8
Superb collection, just a shame about the mounting. Not to my taste I am afraid but whatever floats your boat.
Dave
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Post by downundermoths on Feb 21, 2011 18:02:49 GMT -8
You could take any one and stick it on a leaf outside and take a very realistic photograph, but drooping wings in a collection...no, no, NO
Apart from the hidden wing detail, it just looks so wrong...
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Post by admin on Feb 23, 2011 11:35:53 GMT -8
The drooping wings is the 'Victorian style' of mounting I believe. Not acceptable by today's museum standards but certainly more realistic to butterflies in nature.
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Post by dertodesking on Feb 23, 2011 11:51:50 GMT -8
I'm with Dave on this - great bugs BUT shame about the mounting. Now if he want's to donate to me I'm happy to have a go at re-setting them all..  Claude - Do you have Paul Smart's "Encyclopedia of the Butterfly World"? If so there are illustrations in there taken from both Drury's "Illustrations of Natural History" (1771-1782) and Ingpen's "Instructions for Collecting" (1872) showing butterflies with their forewings set at a much lower angle than would be acceptable today - I guess that this is the "Victorian mounting style". Simon |
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 23, 2011 12:40:23 GMT -8
I don't have the book Simon but I do know about the Victorian style, I just don't really like it. It is outdated since 300 years and well...anybody is free to do whatever pleases himself, because that is the most important in my eyes about the colelction, that it pleases the owner itself.
My comment above was more ment that you should imagine me sitting in front of the computer getting a heart attack after clicking on play rather than an actual question;)
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Post by papilio28570 on Feb 23, 2011 21:54:55 GMT -8
Absolutely beautiful. Well done. I love the Victoria style of mounting much better than the crucifix position, though I mount mine in the latter rather than the former. I'm experimenting with a few domes in the Victorian style with the additionof having the wings angled above the plane of the body. It gives the insect the image of ready to take flight.
Well done Howard Studios. Great choice of music as well.
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Post by africaone on Feb 23, 2011 23:28:51 GMT -8
Museum style must be the rule for any scientific collection ! I completely agree But .... How many collections are done just for the beauty or any other reasons (investment, stamp collector spirit, etc....) ? In this cases why must the collector follow the scientific rules ? It is a personal choice. open your minds brothers !!!  Thierry |
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Post by admin on Feb 24, 2011 2:20:30 GMT -8
I made this display many years ago. When I did these I always tried to lower the top wings to make the butterfly look more natural, as if it was alive. The brookiana, for example, when basking flat tends to hold its upper wings so that the leading edges are aligned straight across the top in one line. This is true of many leps, especially Saturnids. And this is probably the rationale for the Victorian style. It is more artistic and true to life. I doubt if any butterly can hold it owns wings in the unnatural crucifix position that is the modern standard for museum mounts. You have to 'force' the wings to that position. The purpose of that mount is, of course, to show as much of the hindwing pattern as possible for scientific determination, so I don't begrudge it. But I don't like to see musuem mounts where the trailing edge of the forewings is higher than the 90 degree horizontal axis. That is ugly in my opinion. So for me it's Victorian style for artwork and museum style for science. Attachments:
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Post by anthony on Feb 24, 2011 5:59:39 GMT -8
A truly impressive video and superb collection whatever the mounting style.
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Post by bobw on Feb 24, 2011 6:24:42 GMT -8
Obviously for pretty displays people can use any style they want, indeed it's probably not even necessary to have data! However, I can't say that such things hold any interest at all for me; for any proper collection the standard museum style should be used and full collecting data is absolutely essential.
Bob
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Post by Khalid Fadil on Feb 24, 2011 15:15:56 GMT -8
What an astounding collection! I love the way he relaxed the wings like that. Its different and really adds to the natural look of the collection.
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Post by papilio28570 on Feb 24, 2011 22:01:58 GMT -8
Gorgeous showcase, Clark. I'd like to see a photo from the opposite side. Did you make this yourself? Wonderful job if you did or hats off to the originating artist.
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Post by admin on Feb 25, 2011 0:48:37 GMT -8
Thanks. Yes, I made it. Here's another shot with the outer case in place. Attachments:
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