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Post by exoticimports on May 15, 2014 9:15:10 GMT -8
On the topic of westward (reverse wind) direction: I inquired on a batocera website why kibleri was found on Bougainville and San Christobal, with a similar species (but not kibleri) on Malaita, and no similar large batocera on Guadalcanal or Western Province. The answer I got is that they were probably driven by hurricanes; this was contrary to my understanding of Pacific hurricanes, but I checked the history and sure enough there have been hurricanes that head east. To date, that is the best explaination I've heard. So same could be said for other animals as well.
There are no Ornithoptera on Rennell or Balona. Nor, I believe, Ulawa.
While Victoria may indeed be a more primitive species, the reaction may be to point out the vast difference between the Makira ssp and the nominate, and infer that Victoria has been on Makira a long time. However, I think this is grossly flawed with Victoria, considering the Western Province ssp which arguably is the most drasticly different yet much closer to Bville. Besides which, Victoria is so damned variable that one oddball female landing on Makira one hundred years ago could account for the variation.
I consider the point of how Victoria gets to Makira to be moot. I have no doubt (but no proof!) that it has been on Makira in the past (since it's virtually impossible not to) yet did not survive as a race. In fact, I suspect that it IS there, just not found yet. It just isn't in KiraKira village. If Polyura Jupiter can go unnoticed, so can urvilleanus.
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Post by krupten on Jul 11, 2014 20:25:55 GMT -8
To all - When Ray went to San Cristobal and located epiphanies he had travelled extensively on the island and told me conclusively that urvillena was absent from the Island. Years later - late in the 90's Gilles told me that his collector on SC was going to breed (sic) allottei and so he would have had to IMPORT the pupae from near by. If it became established then of course a specimen would eventually turn up. Re Polyura - I have bred thousands (literally) out. For the most part - ssp or species like Pyrrhus or Jupiter are not easy to SEE in the wild but as larvae - once the host is identified they are common. this is true of schreiberi in Thailand too. HOWEVER in nature - because of the speed and agility of the Polyura it is less recognizeable than urvilleana - and so the latter - IF IT WAS ANYWHERE would attract the attention of the locals. The easiest way to solve the mystery is not to rely on sporadic collection observations - but talk to the locals - they recognize 100% of species and are the accurate in the recognition. Cheers Greg
I think - but not 100% sure that Batocera prioroni is on Malaita - from memory? NOT positive but a coleopterist would know
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Post by cyane on Jul 12, 2014 5:09:19 GMT -8
Greg, interesting info about Gilles collector on Cristobal. I wonder if this is the same person I mentioned as having released urvillianus there ? (RT). I agree about the Polyura - I've never seen one in the Solomons, but I've seen plenty of urvillianus. But as I've said before, the question of urvillianus on Cristobal is a moot point. Even if we do find them established there we will never know if they found their own way there or were introduced. The Batocera on Malaita are lamondi. I've noticed no one has discussed urvillianus vs urvilleana. David Hall.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 12, 2014 5:40:45 GMT -8
I've noticed no one has discussed urvillianus vs urvilleana. David Hall. That's because Guérin-Méneville described Papilio urvillianus in 1830 (Voy. Coquille, Zool., Atlas, 2 (2)(17): pl. 13, f. 1-2). Most lepidopterists ignore the gender agreement clauses of the ICZN Code, and use the original spelling, thus everyone continues to call it Ornithoptera urvillianus. The name urvilleana is an incorrect subsequent spelling attributed to Stephan, 1909 (Natur u. Offenbg., 55: 516), and urvilliana is attributable to Boisduval, 1836 (Spec. Gén. Lép., I: 175). Adam.
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Post by krupten on Jul 12, 2014 21:04:43 GMT -8
Thanks Adam - you are and ever shall be my guru of IUZN and the labyrinth of nomenclature. Cheers buddy - and hows the footy? Best ones mate - cheer
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