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Post by multicaudata on Aug 6, 2014 11:46:31 GMT -8
Hi everyone. I just read on a Suffolk, England butterfly sightings website about a female Black Swallowtail that was sighted and photographed there recently: www.suffolkbutterflies.org.uk/sightings.htmlOn the website, the swallowtail is assumed to be an escape, but I wonder, might this be a wild vagrant from North America? Her tattered condition certainly looks right for a vagrant. The big question is: Are Black Swallowtails kept in captivity in England? I certainly don't think they're kept much here in North America (not exotic enough!), and if they aren't kept in England, then maybe this is a vagrant...?! What do you all think?
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Post by nomad on Aug 6, 2014 11:57:58 GMT -8
Hi - I would say this is a captive escape, especially as the butterfly was found in Eastern England. Lots of butterfly visitor houses at the present in the U.K .
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 6, 2014 12:37:34 GMT -8
Hi everyone. I just read on a Suffolk, England butterfly sightings website about a female Black Swallowtail that was sighted and photographed there recently: www.suffolkbutterflies.org.uk/sightings.htmlOn the website, the swallowtail is assumed to be an escape, but I wonder, might this be a wild vagrant from North America? Her tattered condition certainly looks right for a vagrant. The big question is: Are Black Swallowtails kept in captivity in England? I certainly don't think they're kept much here in North America (not exotic enough!), and if they aren't kept in England, then maybe this is a vagrant...?! What do you all think? I very much doubt that it is a wild vagrant. Swallowtails are not as robust as monarchs, and are highly unlikely to survive an Atlantic crossing, muchless end up in Suffolk. Peter is correct that it is almost certainly an escapee, either from a butterfly house or a private breeder. There are many of both in the UK. Looking at the photo it is clearly Papilio polyxenes from the anal eyespot, and it seems that you are not aware that these are actually bred in large numbers by commercial butterfly farms in the USA as well. Most US breeders are not able to obtain exotic livestock due to restrictive import regulations and nearly all of the local farms breed local species only. It wil be interesting to see if this female starts off a viable breeding population in the area, and whether it will last more than a single winter (not that UK winters are cold, but inbreeding will become a problem after some generations). Adam.
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Post by exoticimports on Aug 7, 2014 6:34:56 GMT -8
Are polyxenes bred in UK? Why would they be, when machaon is readily available in Europe? I suppose a private breeder might want the US species, much as we'd love to breed machaon, but does anyone know of an individual or business that definitely is actively breeding polyxenes in UK?
Though the prevailing winds could carry a NA species to Europe, it is unlikely. However, "unlikely" populated Hawaii over millennia.
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Post by timmsyrj on Aug 7, 2014 6:57:51 GMT -8
Papilio polyxenes is available as pupae from stratford butterfly farm and London pupae supplies and ova / larvae and pupae from world wide butterflies which is also offering ova / larvae of Papilio Multicaudata this year as well as glaucus, plenty of us breed species from different continents if we have the right conditions, I've had heliconius Melpomene escape from my unheated greenhouse and had an adult flying in mine and my neighbours garden for a couple of days, this was a couple of years ago as I've not had anything in the greenhouse this year or last as I had a spider infestation which appears to be gone so I'll have heliconius again next year and if they are available again next year I'll try and breed Multicaudata.
Rich
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Post by bobw on Aug 7, 2014 7:02:10 GMT -8
I'm sure there are several people in England rearing P. polyxenes at any one time; I've reared it myself on half a dozen occasions in the past, although not for a few years. There does seem to be an endless fascination with rearing machaon group species so people will go to quite some lengths to get livestock.
Bob
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Post by wingedwishes on Aug 7, 2014 8:26:25 GMT -8
Could it have been an accidental introduction via a pupa on an item which originated in America? No big storms to in America to blow it off course the last few years.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 7, 2014 8:44:41 GMT -8
Could it have been an accidental introduction via a pupa on an item which originated in America? No big storms to in America to blow it off course the last few years. That's probably even less likely than being blown there, although not impossible. Really the most likely explanation is that the female escaped from a UK breeder. Nigel Venters told me some time ago about how he had planted a Zanthoxylum tree in his Hampshire garden and one day saw a female Papilio polytes busy laying eggs on it. That must also have been an escapee from a butterfly house or private breeder. These things do happen every so often, but generally the foreign species do not establish themselves in the UK. Adam.
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Post by smallcopper on Aug 8, 2014 1:03:38 GMT -8
As Adam says, clearly P.polyxenes - it looks like it's ovipositing in the photo I was briefly excited when I first heard about a black Swallowtail in Suffolk - hoping against hope it might have proven to be a nigra P.machaon britannicus. There was a naturally occuring abberant strain of them for a while in the early/mid twentieth century, bred and sold by the Newmans. I'd probably sell a minor organ for a chance to acquire one of those historic specimens... Jon
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 8, 2014 6:19:37 GMT -8
As Adam says, clearly P.polyxenes - it looks like it's ovipositing in the photo I was briefly excited when I first heard about a black Swallowtail in Suffolk - hoping against hope it might have proven to be a nigra P.machaon britannicus. There was a naturally occuring abberant strain of them for a while in the early/mid twentieth century, bred and sold by the Newmans. I'd probably sell a minor organ for a chance to acquire one of those historic specimens... Jon Jon, Definitely ovipositing, so maybe there will be a colony of them there for a while. I didn't know that Newman's black machaon bred true, I thought it was a temperature induced aberration - interesting. Adam.
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Post by smallcopper on Aug 8, 2014 8:06:37 GMT -8
Hi Adam,
I'll find you the passage Newman wrote about them - I've seen a couple of the specimens in the flesh, and they were nothing like the temperature-induced specimens we're increasingly seeing coming out of Poland etc.
Fascinating stuff!
Best,
Jon
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Post by nomad on Aug 8, 2014 10:08:54 GMT -8
The great butterfly farmer L.W Newman originally obtained his black Papilio machaon britannicus strain from wild collected larvae and they were certainly not artifically induced. Newman have heard the accounts of a fine melanic variety that was captured at Ranworth in the Norfolk Broads by a fishermen in his landing net in 1921. His son L. Hugh Newman gives a very interesting account of how this happened in his fascinating ' Living with butterflies ' 1967. " My father had always specialized in breeding Swallowtail butterflies, and when he heard about this remarkable black one he decided to take a trip to Norfolk to collect some caterpillars in the district where it had been found. After wading amongst the reeds for several hours he came upon a patch of feathery Marsh hog's fennel, and found several dozen caterpillars feeding on the leaves and flowerheads. He collected as many as he wanted, and the same evening showed them to the men in the bar parlour of the inn where he was staying. One of the older men there happened to be a reed- cutter who knew the Swallowtail butterfly well, both in its caterpillar and chrysalis stage, and offered to save any chrysalides he found during the winter months while on his job. " " It was ten years before my father knew for certain that he had this rare black strain in his possession. In the usual way of business we had sold a certain number of Swallowtail chrysalides to clients in various parts of the country when, in June 1930, a schoolboy wrote to us a most indignant letter complaining bitterly that the butterfly which had emerged from his chrysalis was ' a nasty black thing and could he have his money back '. Naturally we wrote at once, apologizing and asking him to return the butterfly to us, giving him careful instructions for packing, and promising generous compensation if the insect turned out to be what he had described. When it arrived my father was tremendously excited to find that it was, in fact, a melanic specimen and with his usual generosity, he sent the boy, a cheque for £7 together with a pair of normal butterflies for his collection. When relaxed and set this ' nasty black thing' was offered to Lord Rothschild for £25, a bargain which he readily accepted. This black Swallowtail, rejected by a schoolboy is now part of his national heritage " " Two more black Swallowtails were to appear that summer among our own stock, and I can remember how excited I was as I watched them hour by hour to see whether they would mate, but although we tried every possible means the two would not pair, and the normal males had to be introduced into the cage to ensure, at least a black cross pairing, I kept careful records of the results of the pairing between a typical male and our black female, from which ninety eggs were obtained on potted fennel, but the strain must have been weak from ten years of inter-breeding and only forty of them hatched successfully. With the greatest of care we managed to rear eleven caterpillars to the chrysalis stage and we were, of course, on tender hooks to see whether they would emerge the same year as second-brood insects or lie over until the following Spring. Four of them emerged in August, the others not untill the following May, but among the first four there were two melanic butterflies, and the remaining seven, three were black and four normal, giving approximately a fifty fifty ratio, which was exactly what was to be expected. One interesting thing about them was that they were not by any means all similar; in some of them the lighter markings, in fact the whole pattern of the wings, could be seen as though through smoked glass, while the others were entirely sooty black except for the bands of blue on the wings. The original black pair, of which the female was the parent of our small brood, although in a rather battered condition went to Tring as set specimens, and are labelled ab. niger. One of those with the pattern faintly showing was figured by F.W Frohawk in his book ' Varieties of British Butterflies ' under ab obscura". Another similar to the Frohawk specimen can be seen here. www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/scientific-resources/biodiversity/uk-biodiversity/cockayne/database/taxon.dsml?taxonID=8964&option=typicalbutterfliesOther black melanic Swallowtails Newman bred in this very small series of specimens, were as he mentioned even more extreme examples. The above story shows what one of Britain's finest ever lepidopterists did to obtain his rarities. Not only did Newman go straight to Ranworth Broad after the capture of the first melanic swallowtail. He waded into the fen, found the larvae and with his open nature he later met the locals and was greatly assisted by one of them. In fact you could say ; he came, he saw and conquered. Peter.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 8, 2014 12:36:40 GMT -8
Peter,
Fantastic, thanks for the great commentary.
Adam.
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Post by mikelock34 on Aug 8, 2014 14:57:43 GMT -8
Vernon Brou caught a specimen of Aglais urticae here in South Louisiana in the States years ago. I believe his thought was that is sailed over on a ship traveling up the Mississippi River. Your polyxenes may have come over in cargo from some outside source too.
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Post by smallcopper on Aug 8, 2014 23:38:56 GMT -8
Thanks, Peter - that was exactly the passage I recalled and was going to transcribe for Adam when I got home to my books this weekend. Jon
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