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Post by admin on Nov 12, 2015 15:36:07 GMT -8
A trader is trying to sell this species in the Classifieds. He claims he has a permit for chikae. Is this possible? Have the laws been changed? Need your advice.
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 13, 2015 5:15:47 GMT -8
Anything is possible with the right amount of money. Money buys permits and paperwork. I'd say show me the paperwork before I'd provide cash, and then I'd follow up with the issuing authority to ensure it isn't forged. In USA buyers also may have to be "special" which requires...money and paperwork.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 13, 2015 7:07:31 GMT -8
Papilio chikae is still listed on CITES appendix 1, so in order to trade in this species the seller needs to obtain a genuine export permit (generally pretty much impossible), and the country of the buyer also has to issue an import permit. Since most countries will not issue such an import permit even when presented with an export permit (particularly from a third country, not the origin of the specimen) I would say that the chances of a successful transaction taking place is very low.
If I were you, Clark, I would not let advertisers offer any CITES 1 species in the Classifieds, even if they claim to have export permits. You could theoretically be legally liable for allowing advertising of basically illegal trades on your site.
You should also note that if the seller is not in the Philippines he would need to have original export and import permits to prove that the specimen was legally imported into his own country before he could apply for an export permit to sell the specimen.
Adam.
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Post by admin on Nov 13, 2015 9:55:32 GMT -8
Thanks Adam. I suspected as such.
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Post by admin on Nov 13, 2015 9:58:20 GMT -8
Anything is possible with the right amount of money. Money buys permits and paperwork. I'd say show me the paperwork before I'd provide cash, and then I'd follow up with the issuing authority to ensure it isn't forged. In USA buyers also may have to be "special" which requires...money and paperwork. I'm not a buyer. I'm just concerned about liability for InsectNet and my clients if I were to allow such ads. Some unsuspecting USA buyer might order these and then get busted at customs. Am I right?
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 13, 2015 11:06:35 GMT -8
"Some unsuspecting USA buyer might order these and then get busted at customs. Am I right?"
Precisely.
Adam.
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Post by Chris Grinter on Nov 19, 2015 8:27:47 GMT -8
It is technically possible to have a USFWS/Endangered Species Act exemption permit that proves the species was legally collected/imported/etc before the ban date. CITES Appendix 1 species are listed as endangered in the US under the ESA and this regulates all commerce. Permits usually require an inspection by an agent and usually requires lots of documentation (which almost never exists for insects). I HIGHLY doubt someone has a real permit for this species (especially if they are over-seas) - and if they do, they should be willing to share proof of it. And if by some miraculous chance they bribed someone to give them a local "collecting" permit or some CITES permit - any US purchaser would still need a USFWS permit to purchase and import legally (which is essentially impossible if it's a new specimen).
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Post by admin on Nov 19, 2015 12:06:19 GMT -8
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Post by rayywang76 on Sept 2, 2016 10:38:03 GMT -8
There was an ebay listing for Chikae last week from a reputable Ebay seller Screenshot: imgur.com/RYH3oXTNo pretty butterfly is worth getting thrown in jail for. To think it went for $39.99
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