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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 16, 2019 7:50:18 GMT -8
As far as I understand Bart does want to take live cocoons of SE Asian Attacus atlas with him to start a breeding program in Cambodia. It may be rather difficult for him to obtain wild breeding stock there in the dry season, and at least I guess that he can use them to teach the locals how to rear them.
Adam.
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Post by bartcoppens on Jan 16, 2019 7:58:03 GMT -8
As far as I understand Bart does want to take live cocoons of SE Asian Attacus atlas with him to start a breeding program in Cambodia. It may be rather difficult for him to obtain wild breeding stock there in the dry season, and at least I guess that he can use them to teach the locals how to rear them. Adam. This is my intention, sorry, I should have clarified better. I am hired there to set up a breeding programme, among a few other things, and it would be much more convenient if I arrived with livestock ready to go. I sourced cocoons from Thailand, so there is minimal genetic pollution - however the insects will remain in captivity indefinitely and will not be released, just to set up a breeding program. It is also a native species in the area in Cambodia, so while I am reluctant to bring livestock to tropical places, the risk here is minimal in my opinion since they are A) native and B) from a nearby population and would make the job easier. The specimens are indeed what I will take back home to the Netherlands,(on the return flight) - they will be collected legally in Cambodia. Even though the specimens are 100% legal, I have heard horror stories of customs finding them and destroying them for rediculous reasons. |
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Post by bartcoppens on Jan 16, 2019 8:06:32 GMT -8
Unless you are studying specific family or group you will not recognize or know what is common or rare until after you will look thru your material ( 95% will be common species) There are simply too many insects to comprehend. My advice focus on moths but not Saturniidae or Sphingidae, those are well studied same as butterflies if you wish to find new species or subspecies. Thank you. My specialism are Saturniidae and I agree it is unlikely that I will find anything completely new. However, I believe that in Cambodia there could be common species that have not been recorded before in the country itself. Somehow, all the neighbouring countries seem to have 30 tot 50 species of Saturniidae, but if I consider Cambodia I count about 16 to 18 species. I believe this is a lack of records, possibly because of the countries history that made it not very accessible to researchers for a while. I will however not only be collecting Saturniidae, but also a little bit of everything I can capture. All the specimens will be donated to two natural history museum in the Netherlands; Naturalis in Leiden and Rotterdam. Here experts will work on identifying the material down to species level, so SHOULD there be anything new or unusual, then I will know, and will be potentially be involved with further research. So my question was more or less: "what groups are more or less scientifically interesting?" especially some groups I do not study myself. Because I can get everything identified and researched when I return to the Netherlands, but the only flaw in my plan is that I do not know what to look for - so tips are welcome  |
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Post by Paul K on Jan 16, 2019 9:04:18 GMT -8
As far as I understand Bart does want to take live cocoons of SE Asian Attacus atlas with him to start a breeding program in Cambodia. It may be rather difficult for him to obtain wild breeding stock there in the dry season, and at least I guess that he can use them to teach the locals how to rear them. Adam. This is my intention, sorry, I should have clarified better. I am hired there to set up a breeding programme, among a few other things, and it would be much more convenient if I arrived with livestock ready to go. I sourced cocoons from Thailand, so there is minimal genetic pollution - however the insects will remain in captivity indefinitely and will not be released, just to set up a breeding program. It is also a native species in the area in Cambodia, so while I am reluctant to bring livestock to tropical places, the risk here is minimal in my opinion since they are A) native and B) from a nearby population and would make the job easier. The specimens are indeed what I will take back home to the Netherlands,(on the return flight) - they will be collected legally in Cambodia. Even though the specimens are 100% legal, I have heard horror stories of customs finding them and destroying them for rediculous reasons. That make sense, good luck with the breading program. |
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Post by bartcoppens on Jan 21, 2019 15:14:06 GMT -8
Thanks for all the tips.
What do you guys think of the livestock? What are the chances of them looking at it? Would it give more than just funny looks?
Regards,
Bart
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Post by LEPMAN on Jan 21, 2019 18:34:56 GMT -8
Thanks for all the tips. What do you guys think of the livestock? What are the chances of them looking at it? Would it give more than just funny looks? Regards, Bart The Cambodian customs won’t even find them, if they do it will be because they physically inspect your baggage. The airport is so small, I doubt they have more than 1 X-ray |
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Post by bartcoppens on Feb 9, 2019 0:24:50 GMT -8
I am already in Cambodia as we speak! Everything is succesful so far. I already did some first nights of moth trapping and found common but very nice species of hawkmoths like Amplypterus panopus and Acherontia lachesis. There are many, many Lymantriidae such as Nygmiini and also very common are Crambidae species.
Turns out after all, I need an export permit to take this material out of the country. Now I am a bit worried.
I have collected a LOT of material, I think there is no chance that customs are not going to see this given the sheer amounts.
I can leave it here and have it mailed to me later after getting a permit. Is it worth it is just taking it back home with no permit at all?
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Post by Paul K on Feb 9, 2019 8:12:09 GMT -8
Next time take a flight via Thailand, no problem there what’s so ever, no permits.
Cambodian Airport I don’t know never been there.
Landcross they don’t give a damn about your bugs, just pay them their share what they ask for and you are done.
Airports are totally different story.
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Post by LEPMAN on Feb 9, 2019 8:51:49 GMT -8
Have them mail it to you- easiest way to go about it.
The butterfly farm exports- they should be able to help you with permits.
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Post by bartcoppens on Feb 10, 2019 7:23:53 GMT -8
Thanks! I am more concerned about what they would think of it at Schiphol. I fly via China, I'm pretty sure Chinese customs won't care much. But Amsterdam is though.
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Post by LEPMAN on Feb 10, 2019 7:46:48 GMT -8
Thanks! I am more concerned about what they would think of it at Schiphol. I fly via China, I'm pretty sure Chinese customs won't care much. But Amsterdam is though. Haha- do not assume the Chinese customs won’t care. There is an overwhelming amount of smuggling in China, and if you’re caught there are significant risk. I say have the farm help you with permits and ship directly. They export pupae and know how to get their butterflies to a location very fast. |
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Post by Paul K on Feb 10, 2019 8:15:57 GMT -8
I always have transfer in Shanghai but have my bugs in checked in suitcase so the airlines always take care of it and never had any problems with customs there.
Amsterdam should be easy, just declare that you are bringing dead dried insects.
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