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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 13, 2020 0:18:40 GMT -8
I agree with the last 2 posts, males hang limp below the female while mating and do absolutely nothing other than mate. There is no way that a male would be able to go mud puddling while mating, nor any reason why it would. If for any reason the mating pair needs to fly the female would do the hard work, carrying the male hanging below her.
I have never ever seen a mating pair of any butterfly species at a mud puddle.
Adam.
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Post by bobw on Jan 13, 2020 1:26:01 GMT -8
It depends on the family. I always thought that females always carry males when they are in cop, that's certainly the case with Papilionidae and Pieridae. However, a while back I saw a video that showed a male carrying a female, which surprised me, on making further enquiries I was told that this is the case in some families. Unfortunately I can't now remember which family it was now.
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Post by memo on Jan 13, 2020 13:10:06 GMT -8
In butterflies, it is normally the female carrying the male during mating and not vice versa. Jan Dear Jan, I am not an expert like you or other members but i am interested especially to know how it is possible that macrorhopalocera like antimachus and zalmoxis are still a secrecy in 2020....You write"normaly the females carrying the males..." But I see that the females of antimachus are much smaller than males (I dont know, if there are more papilionidae species with that size dimorphism = males much bigger than females) and the males are very active and strong fliers. This is for me logic that female antimachus cannot carry the male..
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Post by africaone on Jan 13, 2020 23:20:01 GMT -8
Females can fly and carry males and for sure also P. antimachus. A mating couple obviously know that they are slow and much more vulnerable to predators, so they will not normally be on the move unless they are somehow disturbed by something. It is a simple survival strategy. Why some females are rare in 2020? They are not. They simply live in places where humans rarely or never come - like in the top of trees. Why do they stay up there then? They most likely do not need to as females, after mating, primarily is concerned with laying its eggs. So for P. antimachus it would be fair to assume that it is indeed feeding on a canopy reaching vine or maybe a tree that only have foliage for the female to oviposit on, in the canopy area. If you want to find females of almost any species of butterfly, especially in tropical locales, you have to get into the deep forest as you will nearly exclusively find males along rivers, lakes and clearings. Females have no business in open, dangerous areas, but focus on finding host plants in the darker places of the vegetation. This is a general rule. Jan Dozens antimachus females have been found these last years ... and rare in collection doesn't mean rare in nature. In Nature the species is not rare and there are 1/2 1/2 males and females. if a species becomes rare in nature, it will disappear as the chance to mate become lower and lower each generation (+ degenerescence of the genes).
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Post by andresheleno on Jan 14, 2020 13:43:47 GMT -8
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Post by africaone on Jan 15, 2020 0:21:18 GMT -8
in the "Le Monde" paper it is written that a male they kept in a cage was eaten by ants .... then is it really protected ? or are glycosid present only in some of them as those that feed on glycosid flowers ? may be also that glycosid doesn't protect agaisnt ant ? ... and dermestid in collection
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douala14
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Post by douala14 on Jan 30, 2021 11:36:53 GMT -8
please.........!!! don't eat antimachus at your breakfast party.......thanks..!!
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Post by livingplanet3 on Jan 30, 2021 11:44:16 GMT -8
I seem to recall reading that the poisons sequestered by butterflies are directed more toward affording protection against vertebrate predators (especially birds), rather than invertebrates. Certainly, I've seen mantids eat monarchs and Pipevive swallowtails, without hesitation.
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