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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 13, 2020 9:50:20 GMT -8
It does seem to be a female, as far as I can see from the photo.
Who did you get your specimens from, someone in Thailand or a European dealer?
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Post by pcm2007 on Mar 17, 2020 18:01:11 GMT -8
I got it from a European dealer, who in turn gets them from a Thai dealer. Is there anything wrong with this species?
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Post by pcm2007 on Mar 17, 2020 19:37:14 GMT -8
More to be identified: 1 2 3 4 5
Thank you! Pedro
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 18, 2020 4:05:30 GMT -8
1. Theretra clotho
2. Theretra nessus
3. Marumba spectabilis
4. Theretra boisduvali
5. Ambulyx moorei female
No, nothing wrong, but if I know who sent them from Thailand I could find out where in Chiang Rai they were collected.
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Post by pcm2007 on Mar 20, 2020 7:02:04 GMT -8
Oh! that would be great, I have a lot of insects coming from him, but European dealer cannot pin down the exact location. I'd appreciate that very much if you could
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 20, 2020 10:10:40 GMT -8
I would need to know the name of the Thai supplier, and maybe I can find out, but maybe not. I cannot promise. Probably the Thai supplier receives different insects from different places too.
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Post by pcm2007 on Mar 29, 2020 9:57:32 GMT -8
I receive them from a girl named Nok who lives in UK. I think she's from thai too. But I guess she would not tell me who she gets them from. I'm gonna post new images for identification
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Post by pcm2007 on Mar 29, 2020 10:01:34 GMT -8
1) approx wingspan=15 cmts
2) approx wingspan=12.27 cmts
3) approx wingspan=11.52 cmts
4) approx wingspan=11.72 cmts
Thanks in advance!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 29, 2020 11:39:43 GMT -8
1. Meganoton analis
2. Theretra nessus
3 & 4. Psilogramma increta
The girl named Nok is almost certainly Thai ('nok' means bird) but that will probably be her nickname rather than real name. Thais have usually quite long real first names and short nicknames which they are known by.
Probably it will be difficult to find out where they come from, but you could ask her which part of Chiang Rai Province they were collected. She might tell you.
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Post by Paul K on Mar 29, 2020 12:46:01 GMT -8
I suppose that 3&4 are Psilogramma menephron.
They are more brownish than silverish as P.increta and underside lines are more pronounced in P.menephron same as those are in the photo.
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Post by pcm2007 on Mar 29, 2020 17:55:42 GMT -8
Thanks both Adam and Paul for your suggestions. I'll compare with photos on the web to try to determine ssp. and sex and what species adjusts better to your proposals. They have been of great help.
Regarding the Thai dealer, Adam, she could not narrow down more the area where the moths were collected from. She will send me a parcel tomorrow Monday from UK, so I'll check what it says in the 'from' field. Yesterday night I threw away several boxes from her as I had forgotten completely about this conversation at that moment. I guess my parcel will arrive by Friday or beginnings of next week. I'll let you know.
best regards,
Pedro
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 30, 2020 0:20:30 GMT -8
I suppose that 3&4 are Psilogramma menephron. They are more brownish than silverish as P.increta and underside lines are more pronounced in P.menephron same as those are in the photo. They may be P. menephron but it is rather hard to tell from the photos, P. increta has a dark form like these but Paul K is right to point out this possibility. Adam. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 30, 2020 0:23:47 GMT -8
Regarding the Thai dealer, Adam, she could not narrow down more the area where the moths were collected from. She will send me a parcel tomorrow Monday from UK, so I'll check what it says in the 'from' field. Yesterday night I threw away several boxes from her as I had forgotten completely about this conversation at that moment. I guess my parcel will arrive by Friday or beginnings of next week. I'll let you know. best regards, Pedro Pedro, Bear in mind that the address of the sender will almost certainly not be the same place as the collecting locality, it could even be in a completely different province. If the address is written in Thai you can send me a photo and I can read it. Adam. |
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Post by Paul K on Mar 30, 2020 7:02:15 GMT -8
Indeed it is hard to tell from the pictures, somehow in reality the difference between brown and silver is more visible. Here are some of mine specimens, all collected in Northern Thailand, Phrae Prov., Wang Chin. Left top: Psilogramma increta-light form left bottom: Psilogramma menephron-light form right top: P.increta-dark form right bottom: P.menephron-dark form. Underside picture is in the same order. Hope this will help.   |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 30, 2020 7:31:02 GMT -8
Paul,
Thanks for posting those photos. I am sure now that Pedro's specimens are indeed P. menephron. I had forgotten that the easy character to distinguish the two species is the colour of the abdomen underside. In P. increta it is white, unlike Pedro's specimens. It is probably about 30 years since I looked at real specimens of Thai Sphingidae in detail.
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