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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 23, 2020 7:45:40 GMT -8
Looks like a fresh pair to me and setting is still perfect. I don't think they are old specimens stolen from a museum
Which one is the male and female?
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 23, 2020 8:23:39 GMT -8
The one with thumbnail on the left (fat abdomen) is the female.
Indeed these do look fresh, and the other specimens for sale are all new too.
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Post by leptraps on Apr 23, 2020 8:43:21 GMT -8
I just went and looked at the specimen that is being offered.
My opinion: By all appearances, it is a very fresh specimen.I appears to "glistens".
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Post by kevinkk on Apr 23, 2020 8:54:24 GMT -8
I don't believe that collecting can cause extinction, I should have been more clear and was speaking of the broader issue with animals in general. Habitat loss and other factors are more likely issues with insects, with mammals, it's poaching lending a hand, or like the Tasmanian tiger, people just not liking an animal.
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Post by Paul K on Apr 23, 2020 8:59:27 GMT -8
Possibly obtained from breeding stock? It is almost impossible to catch such perfect female of large size butterfly in the wild.
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Post by joachim on Apr 23, 2020 9:09:02 GMT -8
As far as I heard, the area between homerus is flying was destroyed for agriculture Now there are two populations, in the north and south. Maybe too few specimens and there is inbreeding. Not good. Anyway the imperalis seems to be coll. H.G. Allcard. ( Is he still alive? ) so it must be old. Joachim
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Post by leptraps on Apr 23, 2020 9:42:17 GMT -8
Homerus occurs in the mountains of Jamaica. Logging was a threat. It has been many years since homerus has been a topic.
Maybe it is time to review that topic.
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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 23, 2020 11:28:40 GMT -8
At least save the picture of it before it's sold
I've made a cool visual butterfly encyclopedia by saving all the pictures I see on ebay..etc.. over the years .Kind of a mini hobby .A lot of them I've never seen in books
(if anyone wants to point out ebay and internet pictures in general are "copyrighted" and it's not ethical to do that, I absolutely, 100% do not care)
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 23, 2020 12:49:40 GMT -8
Saving a copy of a photo on eBay for personal use does not really breach copyright, but public use of the photo without permission may do so. I do not actually know the legal status of photos on eBay.
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Post by joachim on Apr 23, 2020 13:03:13 GMT -8
As long as you do not sell them or make a dicitionry, who cares? who knows? Ha, we all know ! look out of the window, do you see the police cars?
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Post by kevinkk on Apr 23, 2020 15:25:36 GMT -8
I save pictures from Ebay of things I'm interested in, some of them are already in the public domain, some sellers put a watermark on their photos, some of which is inexplicable, others I can understand. I have photos I've saved and printed out, I don't see an issue with it. If I want a picture of Raquel Welch in a cavewoman suit, I know where to find it. It is a nice looking butterfly...
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 24, 2020 3:17:11 GMT -8
I heard maybe 5 years ago that the pupae are harvested and hatched for illegal trade, which I guess is the origin of these specimens. They are too perfect to be wild collected.
Probably the B. ludlowi are similarly ex pupa, as the life cycle was photographed and published a few years ago.
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Post by leptraps on Apr 24, 2020 15:09:09 GMT -8
I looked out the window, walking down the sidewalk was 350+ pounds of a thing called a "chunky porker".
NARF by the yard......
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Post by valleysboyo on Apr 25, 2020 13:37:28 GMT -8
As far as I heard, the area between homerus is flying was destroyed for agriculture Now there are two populations, in the north and south. Maybe too few specimens and there is inbreeding. Not good. Anyway the imperalis seems to be coll. H.G. Allcard. ( Is he still alive? ) so it must be old. Joachim Re: H.G. Allcard, I recently bought two secondhand Hills cabinets (both of the glass-bottomed drawer type). In one of them, three of the drawers were labelled "Exhibit by H.G. Allcard", so I looked up H.G. Allcard on the web. Harry Ganly Allcard was a British entomologist specialising in Lepidoptera. He was born in 1902 and died on 14th July 1983 aged 82. He authored/co-authored a number of entomological books and papers in the 1970s and early 1980s, including "A Field Guide to the Butterflies and Burnets of Spain", 1970; Manley, W.B.L.; Allcard, H.G." and papers in "The entomologist's record and journal of variation", amongst others. Why a specimen which purports to be from his collection is up for sale now in Russia I don't know.
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Post by valleysboyo on Apr 25, 2020 13:39:58 GMT -8
oops, my arithmetic is out there - he was aged 81 when he died.
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