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Post by radusho on Sept 6, 2020 12:32:56 GMT -8
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Post by catocala59 on Sept 6, 2020 14:39:02 GMT -8
Judging historical actions by the standards of the current times will always end badly.
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Post by gaspipe on Sept 6, 2020 15:07:03 GMT -8
It is beyond stupidity.
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Post by eurytides on Sept 6, 2020 17:52:04 GMT -8
Agree, this is retarded. Everything offends someone these days, get over it. We shouldn’t repeat some mistakes going forward but erasing history and acting like that makes things better is just lunacy. The caveman who invented the wheel probably killed some people and treated women in his tribe badly. Should we get rid of all wheels from our society? What a load of bull###.
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Post by kevinkk on Sept 6, 2020 18:29:59 GMT -8
A dicey topic, since religion and politics have been banned in the forum, but my comment about the absurdity of political correctness is
that it is beyond stupid, to the point of being dangerous to everyone.
Revisionist history is ridiculous and my opinion about is that loud idiots get attention, and fearful people succumb to their idiocy.
I have my own plan for action if it ever barks at my door.
Personally, I'm offended by political correctness and the insidious way it manipulates society.
The present, what used to be the future, has a lot of shiny whistles and bells, but I am glad I grew up in the 60's and 70's, was it perfect-
of course not, but it didn't go around erasing history and facts.
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Post by leptraps on Sept 7, 2020 3:48:03 GMT -8
Political correctness: These two words can be really Scary. I have never been known to be politically correct. Just look at the cast of characters running for office. I have thought about running for office more once. Then I look at John Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump and Diana Lee Felganhogger. Now there is a quartet that could give you a deadly case of the Hershey Squirt's....
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 7, 2020 5:15:28 GMT -8
Let's leave US politicians out of discussion of political correctness envisaged as applying to the Charles Darwin collection at BMNH. Unfortunately the article is behind a paywall and I can only read the first sentence without giving them my e-mail address for a "free trial". Maybe they want to try me for free  If someone has seen the whole article I would be interested to know what reason there is for whoever was complaining to cause the BMNH to consider the situation. Feel free to post details in this thread, as long as they apply to the Darwin collection and not wider political issues. Adam. |
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Post by nomihoudai on Sept 7, 2020 5:39:13 GMT -8
Yesterday I could read the article without the paywall. It didn't really have any specific examples, other than mentioning that Sloane profited from slave work. But it doesn't say in which way this was relevant to the collection or exhibition.
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Post by wollastoni on Sept 7, 2020 6:03:55 GMT -8
It reminds me the Cultural Revolution under Mao.
Let's destroy all European cities as they have been built with slavery income.
Let's also destroy all Arabic cities for the same reason ... and so on.
Or let's live together and be happy that slavery has been abolished.
China, Korea have been colonized too, they don't complain everyday about colonization, they work for a better future.
The racialist philosophy of the USA is now contaminating Europe too, very sad and dangerous.
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Post by wingedwishes on Sept 7, 2020 6:37:43 GMT -8
Many years ago when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, they blew up ancient Buddhist statues. Why? Beautiful artwork. Just didn't agree with the philosophy. Now, its going on in some places in America. If someone black, white, Asian etc. insults me for my red race then there are two appropriate responses to me. 1. Do you understand what you said means something different to my people? 2. I'll be leaving now. Where others say "I have the right to be angry, furious, etc.....I say yes you have that right but I have the right to forgive the past without living in its sorrow yet neither forgetting.
When do violent uprisings {usually} stop? Right around the time federal forces are deployed...... Not a desirable end.
On a related note:
A textbook in school read that there were no survivors at the Little Big Horn.... I thought thousands of Lakota survived. Different cultures, different meanings.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 7, 2020 7:20:34 GMT -8
Yesterday I could read the article without the paywall. It didn't really have any specific examples, other than mentioning that Sloane profited from slave work. But it doesn't say in which way this was relevant to the collection or exhibition. My brother told me the Daily Telegraph had temporarily removed the paywall during the blockade of their printers by Extinction Rebellion demonstrators. Obviously the paywall is now back up again. Pity I didn't know about it at the time. Adam. |
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Post by kevinkk on Sept 7, 2020 8:36:05 GMT -8
Yesterday I could read the article without the paywall. It didn't really have any specific examples, other than mentioning that Sloane profited from slave work. But it doesn't say in which way this was relevant to the collection or exhibition. My brother told me the Daily Telegraph had temporarily removed the paywall during the blockade of their printers by Extinction Rebellion demonstrators. Obviously the paywall is now back up again. Pity I didn't know about it at the time. Adam. I guess I got lucky- strike that. My timing was good and I read the article. It was interesting, if you find continuing and expanding revisionist history interesting,and reading about obscure ways of being offended by reality. What it is, is disheartening, at some point in the future, people are not going to have a single clue as to what happened in the past.It's going to be a sci-fi world of burned and banned books covered with smashed up statuary. I'm sure I won't be around to see the re-education camps. I think quite a few people did survive the battle at Bighorn, and many empires and fortunes are currently being built on the backs of others, when is that going to be erased? What people need to resist, is not what the "popular" populace would have you resist. Change is coming, I'm sure I've heard that somewhere, but is that change going to do any real good? Unlikely. |
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Post by yorky on Sept 7, 2020 11:29:50 GMT -8
There is a major flaw with this way of thinking, just because something offends us doesn’t make us right. Thus those in society who choose to be offended at everything they don't agree with seem to erroneously think that being offended offers some sort of moral high ground, that is why we have so many people campaigning for causes of which they have little or no comprehension as the root of their indignation comes from the fact that they merely don't agree with a particular principle or are offended by it. I happen to agree with Stephen Fry and how he handles people who say that they are offended by something he has said, he simply replies "so f@#@ing what"
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Post by exoticimports on Sept 8, 2020 4:31:59 GMT -8
Here it is not behind a paywall (not for me, not right now) www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8702867/Natural-History-museum-review-Charles-Darwin-exhibitions-HMS-Beagle-colonialist.htmlIf colonialism is used as an indicator of science neo-hate, most all scientific collections are at the mercy of the destructors. Book collections, in particular- we've already seen books stricken from school reading lists; books sticken from Amazon. Virtually every book of discover and science written in the 1700s and 1800s (and probably later) will be identified as offensive. So what will BMNH (and others) do with these books? With original manuscripts? Are specimens collected under colonialist endeavors (e.g., with colonialist money, by slave or conscripted collectors, without the permission of indigenous landowners, etc.) be destroyed? Be removed from pubic display? And what of Bernard D'Abrera's books? Creationism is most offensive to some powerful groups; will his books be removed? Destroyed? The entire movement to rewrite and destroy science is frightening, but isn't new to mankind. Chuck |
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Post by Paul K on Sept 8, 2020 7:04:57 GMT -8
Such a non-sense!
We should focus on present slavery and try to resolve that issue rather than waisting time and resources to make changes of the past.
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