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Post by leptraps on Nov 30, 2020 9:10:53 GMT -8
This is my drawer pf Pterourus glaucus glaucus (Summer Virginia July/August)
Notice the bottom male in the second row. The black area on the lower hindwing. There are two (2) aberrant males in 5th row. This is one of six drawers of summer brood. (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia.)
Double click photographs to enlarge.
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Post by leptraps on Nov 30, 2020 9:21:47 GMT -8
This is one of my three (3) drawers of Pterourus maynardi (australis) These are from North Florida. Highland Hammock State Park (WA). I reared them twice. I got typical size adults that you find in Ohio and Kentucky Double click photographs to enlarge. Attachments:
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Post by leptraps on Nov 30, 2020 10:06:41 GMT -8
I just went and looked through my drawers of Pterourus glaucus. I have a total of 16 drawers of Pterourus glaucus. Before any of you jump up and down, I have lived in 14 locations where I collected Pterourus glaucus. The mountains of SW Virginia brought me lots of specimens. Especially aberrations. I have numerous drawers for all of the eastern Swallowtails (P. glaucus., P. palamedes, Heraclides cresphontes, Papilio troilus, Battus philenor, Eurytides marcellus, Papilio polyxenes, and Battus polydamas.
I have been a Lepidopterists for over 64 years. That is longer than most of you have been alive. After I met and married Ms Betty, I slowed it way down. By the end of the 1960's I put a little more effort into collecting.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 30, 2020 11:02:49 GMT -8
Leroy, you certainly are an accomplished lepidopterist.
I cannot imagine there are very many like you (here in the states) whom have "self collected" as well as (raised) so many species
with the scope and breadth which your collection presents...
You have been a tireless "field man" and your drawer photo's show us what is possible with passion, determination, and desire to "get out among them".
My hat's off to you indeed !
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Post by 58chevy on Nov 30, 2020 13:26:19 GMT -8
I rechecked my original size estimate of Leroy's maynardi and discovered a mistake. I left out a digit. Instead of 13 cm, it proportions out to only 10.3 cm in relation to the width of the drawer. However, it's the biggest butterfly in a drawer full of maynardi. I suspect it's bigger than 10.3. Unfortunately the sides of the drawer are cut off in the photo, preventing an accurate measurement. Only a direct measurement will reveal its true size. Until then, Trehopr's 12.3 is still the king.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 30, 2020 14:22:11 GMT -8
Well, 58chevy thanks anyway for attempting to figure out the approximate size of Leroy's large black P. glaucus maynardi (female). I am certainly not vying for any trophies here, I merely reported the size of both of my specimens so that others could take a look at their typical examples and maybe (if they desired) measure them and see for themselves that maynardi is indeed a notable subspecies worth collecting if you ever get to Florida. Of course wild collecting them is the best way to get supersized examples because they are always larger naturally... Leroy remarked in his above post that he raised the subspecies himself and they all turned out to be typical sized examples like his others from Kentucky and other parts. After looking at his original photo again, I am inclined to believe that his example is at least every bit as large as mine and it may even exceed mine but, only perhaps by a few millimeters. My "guesstimate" of its size is perhaps somewhere between 12.3 and 12.8 cm. Of course a true measurement will settle the matter and I don't think it's asking that much however, for whatever reason if he does not wish for us to know then that's where the story ends. Large examples still remain one of the most impressive things to see in life... Honestly, the site of one of those big flapping females homing in on a flowering bush will drop your jaw and leave you an awe !! You may even forget to swing your net if you look too long.  |
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Post by gaspipe on Nov 30, 2020 16:34:40 GMT -8
Well, 58chevy thanks anyway for attempting to figure out the approximate size of Leroy's large black P. glaucus maynardi (female). I am certainly not vying for any trophies here, I merely reported the size of both of my specimens so that others could take a look at their typical examples and maybe (if they desired) measure them and see for themselves that maynardi is indeed a notable subspecies worth collecting if you ever get to Florida. Of course wild collecting them is the best way to get supersized examples because they are always larger naturally... Leroy remarked in his above post that he raised the subspecies himself and they all turned out to be typical sized examples like his others from Kentucky and other parts. After looking at his original photo again, I am inclined to believe that his example is at least every bit as large as mine and it may even exceed mine but, only perhaps by a few millimeters. My "guesstimate" of its size is perhaps somewhere between 12.3 and 12.8 cm. Of course a true measurement will settle the matter and I don't think it's asking that much however, for whatever reason if he does not wish for us to know then that's where the story ends. Large examples still remain one of the most impressive things to see in life... Honestly, the site of one of those big flapping females homing in on a flowering bush will drop your jaw and leave you an awe !! You may even forget to swing your net if you look too long. I visit this forum to learn and must say I am amazed at the level of knowledge most process and their wonderful collections I also realize that precision and accuracy are important; but what I am hearing now is how anal retentive the conversation is becoming . You both have big butterflies and they are beautiful. If Leroy is kind enough to show his amazing collection leave it at that . Just because some want him to measure his specimen to prove who’s is bigger doesn’t mean you need to ask if that is asking too much . Let it go will ya ; they are both big specimens. Sometimes I think you lepidopterist’ s like to knit pick everything . |
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 30, 2020 17:29:57 GMT -8
I also calculated the size of the specimen from the picture and I get 10.4cm tip to tip, guessing that this is a standard Cornell drawer. Other than that I will not take part in the discussion. I found it quite amusing to compare size and was wondering who will jump in and take the chance to place a lame joke.
I once saw P. glaucus close to Gainesville after visiting the McGuire Center. That must have been end of February/March. I wasn't able to catch any as they wouldn't land. In Dallas the same. The only place I was able to catch them was next to Houston.
I hope to be in Florida (Miami area) in about two weeks to spend the winter holidays. I don't know if anything will be on the wing.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 30, 2020 17:40:50 GMT -8
Your point is well taken by me.
I am not the one who pursued the matter...
While I did ask him (days ago) to perhaps kindly measure one or two of his biggest examples;
I never heard back and I left it at that.
I really don't quibble about these sorts of things. I am just happy to have the 2 pairs that I do. They were hard won and I may never catch any others...
I only write articles and post pictures on insects with the best of intentions.
With a little luck, other members add to the topic and it is something we can all learn something from.
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Post by leptraps on Dec 1, 2020 7:17:16 GMT -8
I am currently house bound with 10 inches of snow and more to come.
I found my Calipers. I removed the largest two specimens from the drawer and laid them on ,125 gird graph paper.
Yellow Female. 4.982
Black Female. 4.790
I could be off by an RCH or two. But that is what I get.
I went to put my draws back into the cabinets, I could not Resist, I looked at 48 plus drawers. I have amassed quite a collection. And, should any of you visit Aurora, Ohio. Let me know in advance and come see my rather paltry collection.
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Post by Paul K on Dec 1, 2020 7:41:11 GMT -8
This is my drawer pf Pterourus glaucus glaucus (Summer Virginia July/August)
Notice the bottom male in the second row. The black area on the lower hindwing. There are two (2) aberrant males in 5th row. This is one of six drawers of summer brood. (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia.)
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Double click photographs to enlarge.
The middle male in 5 row looks like mosaic gynandromorph. |
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Post by 58chevy on Dec 1, 2020 12:47:31 GMT -8
I'm assuming 4.982 is the measurement in inches for the yellow female. That's roughly 12.5 cm. It must have looked like Mothra when it was flying.
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Post by leptraps on Dec 1, 2020 14:30:14 GMT -8
I have always assumed that most Lepidopterist were like me. Not a large collection (522 Cornell Drawers). I always had a purpose, target species were wanted, sometimes it took decades or more to collect them.
I was also very mechanically oriented. I can use almost any machine and machine tools in a woodworking shop or a sheet metal fabrication shop or a metal removal or machine shop.
I married the most wonderful woman in the world, Ms Betty.
However, the woman of my dreams was Mr Carol Robertson. I would have crawled on my hands and knees, thru boards, nails and broken glass just to smell the exhaust fumes from the laundry truck that carried her panties away. Then at my 50th High School Reunion, I saw her, all 300+ pounds of her. She married the football Jock. And the poor jock was at her beck and call.
I believe there is a God, and He gave "me" Ms Betty. There is no other explanation!!!!
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Post by colin12303 on Dec 6, 2020 7:38:01 GMT -8
Tried to post pictures of 3 papilio glaucus i caught in Orlando Florida October 1998
One male, one normal female ,one black female
Tried signing up to the recommended image site no joy.
Surely there is a better way of doing it this is totally user unfriendly
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Post by 58chevy on Dec 6, 2020 8:36:22 GMT -8
Only those who are old enough to remember the Dobie Gillis show will get this:
My personal name for maynardi is maynardgkrebsi.
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