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Post by Paul K on Feb 12, 2021 14:00:03 GMT -8
Do people buy insect as an investment ?
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Post by Crake on Feb 12, 2021 14:02:34 GMT -8
Do people buy insect as an investment ? *expenditure* My apologies... |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 13, 2021 4:48:18 GMT -8
I'm pretty happy I got my male specimens of Chikae and Hermeli a few years ago.. Both species are at or near the top of the list of Achillides favorites among collectors. The undersides of both are indeed different and the females are particularly spectacular ! The ONLY reason that hermeli has been added to CITES appendix 1 is because it is the same species as Papilio chikae. CITES normally treats subspecies of the same species equally, so they announced that the change of status from species to subspecies means that hermeli must be treated as a CITES appendix taxon. The differences between undersides of hermeli and chikae are no more than subspecific pattern differences. Adam. |
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Post by yorky on Feb 13, 2021 7:07:12 GMT -8
I have a contact on Mindoro who basically made a living from breeding hermeli,not spoken to him for a while but I would wager he's not a happy chappy.
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Post by ming on May 20, 2021 3:19:27 GMT -8
I'm pretty happy I got my male specimens of Chikae and Hermeli a few years ago.. Both species are at or near the top of the list of Achillides favorites among collectors. The undersides of both are indeed different and the females are particularly spectacular ! The ONLY reason that hermeli has been added to CITES appendix 1 is because it is the same species as Papilio chikae. CITES normally treats subspecies of the same species equally, so they announced that the change of status from species to subspecies means that hermeli must be treated as a CITES appendix taxon. The differences between undersides of hermeli and chikae are no more than subspecific pattern differences. Adam. Adam, What do you think about this article? Cytochrome C Oxidase Subunit I and II (COI and COII) Sequences Support Recognition of Papilio chikae Igarashi and Papilio hermeli Nuyda as Distinct Species Philippine Journal of Science 150 (S1): 111-119 Ming. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 20, 2021 12:18:23 GMT -8
This is an interesting article (available online for anyone who searches for it).
The last sentence of the abstract would make an interesting project for Philippine researchers:
"Nevertheless, a thorough examination of their morphology, behavior, and ecology is still imperative to firmly establish their taxonomic status."
It would also be interesting to compare more genes of these two taxa, particularly nuclear DNA. They could be separate species, but they could also be conspecific despite differences in mitochondrial DNA.
I guess that breeding experiments could also indicate whether these are separate or the same species in the traditional sense - 'hybrid' offspring are infertile, or fully fertile and able to produce a fertile second generation.
Adam.
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Post by ming on May 21, 2021 5:48:51 GMT -8
Thank you very much, Adam!!
Just curious if any of these analysis/experiments was performed before listing Papilio hermeli on CITES I?
Ming.
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Post by exoticimports on May 21, 2021 6:15:06 GMT -8
The scientists could discover hermeli is actually a morph of pieris rapae and it would still sit on CITES I. Very rarely is anything removed.
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