oslari
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Post by oslari on Sept 9, 2021 20:02:53 GMT -8
Greetings,
In my experience of Saturniidae in the US, for me I have been extremely curious to know if Adeloneivaia isara really does occur in Arizona. If it does, there is only a singular record to prove so. Has anyone other than the main sighting record found this species in AZ? Thank you so much!
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Post by Crake on Sept 9, 2021 20:16:31 GMT -8
I haven't heard of Adeloneivaia occurring in the US from any other sources (though I am not 100% certain). Sometimes we just get lucky with the "vagrant" individuals.
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evra
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Post by evra on Sept 9, 2021 22:14:00 GMT -8
The one record is from Guadalupe Canyon which is in the extreme SE corner of AZ. That spot has been gated off for about 15 years now. I keep an eye out for A. isara when I collect Automeris randa in that mountain range but I’ve never seen it. The Peloncillos are rarely collected and are remote and not easily accessible, so it’s hard to say whether they are actually there or it was simply a stray.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 10, 2021 14:10:08 GMT -8
Thank heavens we can find things like this on the internet.
Not being a specialist or particular enthusiast of Saturniidae I didn't know what you guys were talking about; so I looked up the name.
Whenever possible, please try to mention family or subfamily
names (at least); for those of us not quite so up to speed on a given subject.
That species is in the subfamily Ceratocampinae so it is a relative of our (Eastern) species known as the Honey Locust moth; albeit either a rare stray or very localized species in southeast Arizona.
Given the lone record of this species and the extreme habitat for which it is known from in Arizona; it is unlikely anyone will know it's true status here for some time.
One would likely have to secure permits to collect in the area during it's prime occurrence period. Whether that is now government land or privately owned you would have to find out...
Given the forbidding location and it's close proximity to the Mexican border I think I would endeavor to look elsewhere for other nice looking Saturniids.
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Post by exoticimports on Sept 10, 2021 15:21:01 GMT -8
No records from Pena Blanca?
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Post by mikeh on Sept 11, 2021 4:25:36 GMT -8
What is the access status of Guadeloupe Canyon? Walk-in only? Is collecting allowed nowadays?
Does the host plant occur in the US portion of the Peloncillos?
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oslari
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Post by oslari on Sept 11, 2021 5:17:58 GMT -8
No records from Pena Blanca? None so far. |
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oslari
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Post by oslari on Sept 11, 2021 5:22:36 GMT -8
What is the access status of Guadeloupe Canyon? Walk-in only? Is collecting allowed nowadays? Does the host plant occur in the US portion of the Peloncillos? About the Guadeloupe Canyon part, I’m not sure. Isara’s host, Lyilsoma, occurs in Phoenix and Tucson AZ I believe. They also feed on an assortment of legumes, as BAMONA states. www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/Adeloneivaia-isara |
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Post by 58chevy on Sept 11, 2021 13:30:36 GMT -8
The Wild Silkmoths book (Tuttle, Tuskes, Collins) says A. isara is commonly collected in Sonora, Mexico, adjacent to Guadalupe Canyon. Therefore occasional strays would be expected. If the hostplant occurs in Tucson & Phoenix, it might also occur in Guadalupe Canyon. If so, it's possible the species breeds there. Maybe Evra will be the person to collect the second US record.
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oslari
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Post by oslari on Sept 12, 2021 10:44:21 GMT -8
The Wild Silkmoths book (Tuttle, Tuskes, Collins) says A. isara is commonly collected in Sonora, Mexico, adjacent to Guadalupe Canyon. Therefore occasional strays would be expected. If the hostplant occurs in Tucson & Phoenix, it might also occur in Guadalupe Canyon. If so, it's possible the species breeds there. Maybe Evra will be the person to collect the second US record. Maybe it does breed there. I also think Evra could be the second to collect this species in Guadalupe Canyon. |
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Post by evra on Sept 12, 2021 15:46:43 GMT -8
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I’m still working on the other Saturniids that I actually know are in AZ. I only have 1 more to go. You can hike into Guadalupe Canyon but a rancher gated off the road so you can’t drive a generator and lights in there. The same is true with Skeleton Canyon.
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Post by 58chevy on Sept 13, 2021 7:29:21 GMT -8
Evra, what saturniid species are you missing?
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Post by evra on Sept 13, 2021 12:28:51 GMT -8
Hemileuca burnsi is the only one left that I don’t have, but I’ve also never tried it get it either. Something has always come up or I’ve opted to go for a different Hemileuca or something else during their flight season. Hopefully in about 2 weeks I can change that.
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oslari
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Post by oslari on Sept 13, 2021 14:47:35 GMT -8
Hemileuca burnsi is the only one left that I don’t have, but I’ve also never tried it get it either. Something has always come up or I’ve opted to go for a different Hemileuca or something else during their flight season. Hopefully in about 2 weeks I can change that. You can find larvae in the Dead Mountains of CA. If you meant finding the species specifically in Arizona, I don’t know how to find it! |
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