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Post by squiffy on Oct 4, 2021 7:15:18 GMT -8
Hello, I have raised a few different Lepi before, but I haven't raised any Saturniidae before. My eggs just hatched yesterday, and I offered the little guys a variety of leaves they are known to like including grape, silver maple, a few local oak, and an assortment of other unidentified maples from around my neighborhood. I am very concerned as they do not seem to be eating anything I offer and are instead just wandering aimlessly onto the lid and sides of the container, essentially everywhere BUT the leaves. Should this be concerning?? I can only speculate, but perhaps they are just sated after eating their eggs?
Any advice is appreciated, I am just very worried and want to raise these little guys (right now lol) right. Thank you.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 4, 2021 7:41:42 GMT -8
Saturniid larvae often wander around for about 24 hours before settling down to eat. Try to ensure that the leaves touch the top of the box, so they can easily crawl onto them when they start to settle. Once they decide to eat a particular plant they must be fed on the same leaves at least until they reach final instar. Some species can be persuaded to eat something else then, but many species refuse to change plant during the larval stages.
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 4, 2021 8:43:20 GMT -8
We are ruining out of time in northern hemisphere. The leaves will soon turn yellow and fall, depend where you are you may run out of food. Try willow, the leaves stay green till December.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 4, 2021 8:54:35 GMT -8
Hey Paul you beat me to the punch on that statement !
I was just going to say the same thing about the timing.
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Post by nomihoudai on Oct 4, 2021 8:55:43 GMT -8
Laurel tree and Pyracantha are good evergreen plants eaten by a lot of moth. You would need to write the exact species for better suggestions.
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Post by squiffy on Oct 4, 2021 9:08:23 GMT -8
Thank you so much all, I was really worried about them. I will try to find a good source of willow if at all possible, I'm planning on starting to cultivate a large branch indoors of their preferred food. I have a massive divider of grapes and was hoping they choose this.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 4, 2021 9:51:32 GMT -8
Thank you so much all, I was really worried about them. I will try to find a good source of willow if at all possible, I'm planning on starting to cultivate a large branch indoors of their preferred food. I have a massive divider of grapes and was hoping they choose this. They eat a lot! Especially last instar. You should also keep in mind how many larvae you want keep till the end. Unless you have a quit large bush or small tree available it will be challenging to supply food.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 10:10:21 GMT -8
Another option I use often is to harvest a few hundred healthy leaves, put them into ziplock bags, add a 1/4 to 1/2 cup of cool RO water, squeeze out the air, and zip up the bag. When done it sort of resembles a vacuum sealed bag. Then I put these into the frig. Believe it or not, I’ve had bags like those last/keep the leaves fresh for several weeks. Some types of leaves will even last longer. This will mean you’ll have to tub rear the larvae, but that’s ok. I’ve done this with moths and butterflies as I’ve occasionally received ova at the very end of the growing season. When using leaves from the bag, one simply puts a towel over one knee, then several leaves, then a towel on the top and press the towels together with leaves in between thus drying them off prior to feeding the larvae.
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Post by squiffy on Oct 5, 2021 7:26:46 GMT -8
Thank you all! I located a rather large willow tree nearby that I should be able to feed the little ones on, they were only on the other leaves for a little while (maybe 12 hours?) and they didn't appear to eat much (oak leaves). Will keep everyone posted, thanks especially for the leaf preservation tip ::)
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Post by squiffy on Oct 7, 2021 9:27:23 GMT -8
Alright, another brief update, they did not seem to spring for the willow unfortunately (left fresh leaves in there for about a day). I have found two dead in the container ::( I hope it is not due to my incompetence. I have offered red oak (what their parents were reared on) and they seem to be liking it better? I really hope so, I would feel horrid if they refused to eat and died. However, I do realize that as with most insects and all r-selected species there are bound to be a few casualties, even in the best of environments. If they seem to like the oak I will try the preservation technique suggested by billgarthe. Does anyone know if actual vacuum sealing would be a viable option?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 16:29:57 GMT -8
No. Cool water w leaves with the air squeezed out is all you need. I’d think a vacuum would adversely effect the leaves imho. Try it….it really works. You want some water in there wo access air. I’ll post a pic later on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 16:35:36 GMT -8
Here it is. There are abt 150 or si violet leaves. They’ve been in the frig for two weeks so far.
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Post by wingedwishes on Oct 8, 2021 7:12:56 GMT -8
Next year I'll be experimenting with my own formula for rearing Actias luna. My goal is to raise them year round. I have raised polyphemus on sweetgum (liquidambar) and black walnut as well. Both also feed lunas. I believe there is a formula available on line but I cannot remember where.
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Post by kevinkk on Oct 8, 2021 9:30:03 GMT -8
With controlled lighting indoors, you can probably raise luna year around, and maybe other multi-brooded Saturniidae, I raise indoors when possible, because here at the Oregon coast, they grow slower outdoors with our cooler weather, and always keep in mind the day length outdoors. Having a food source is probably the biggest problem, depending where you are located, and what you've got available, some of my trees are already close to unusable, others will go until late Nov. Nowadays, with led lighting, and indoor growing of plants becoming more common, a person could bring their trees indoors- I raised luna in an apartment one season, using a 400 watt halide light and sweetgum in pots.
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