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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 28, 2021 14:01:39 GMT -8
Having just started a thread on a beetle specimen which I have from World War II; the idea dawned on me of having a thread dedicated to specimens captured during wartimes.
I would like to think that other fellow members surely have something to contribute to this topic. The item(s) may be of any conflict from 1850 up until the present day.
Specimens with specific dates and localities (war specific) do possess a unique provenance.
I believe this could be a fascinating read and perhaps an absorbing subject.
So, if you know of something you have that applies; tell us about it and even better post a picture of it if you can.
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Post by 58chevy on Oct 28, 2021 14:19:24 GMT -8
This is not exactly on topic, but there is a beetle named after Adolf Hitler. It was discovered by a German entomologist prior to WWII and named in honor of Hitler, who had recently become Chancellor. More info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmus_hitleri
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 28, 2021 14:40:29 GMT -8
A few years ago, I passed up on an Ebay framed collection purportedly captured during WW2 from Guadalcanal. While they all indeed were correct for Guadalcanal, there was no other provenance, so I passed it up.
Virtually all of my Solomon Islands specimens were captured during their civil war 1998-2003. Net in one hand, SLR in the other. While not a war, I spent a lot of time in Bangkok during the strife between the red and yellow shirts, and once was picked up and kicked out of the country by my agent, since I was staying right where the fighting was. Got kicked out of the Thai-Burmese border another time.
Chuck
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 28, 2021 21:04:05 GMT -8
Well, here's my second shot at posting a specimen of conflict times. This specimen of Lucanus cervus is in my collection. It was collected during the height of the "cold war" era of the late 1950's - early 1960's. Captured on June.27.1962 in Berlin Germany; this (major) male of the species was effectively taken only a scant 4 months prior to the October "Cuban Missile Crisis" of (Oct.16,1962 - Oct.28.1962). It is in A1 condition despite my lousy lighting !
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 29, 2021 4:48:28 GMT -8
Brought back by an American. Germans would have written in German, and would have written the date differently.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 29, 2021 6:04:06 GMT -8
Brought back by an American. Germans would have written in German, and would have written the date differently. I suppose it came from West Berlin as Americans had no access to East Germany ( DDR ) at that time.
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Post by jhyatt on Oct 29, 2021 7:05:13 GMT -8
I seem to recall that John Tennent published a paper on some butterflies collected in the trenches during WWI. I'll try to dig out the citation.
jh
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 29, 2021 8:05:31 GMT -8
Brought back by an American. Germans would have written in German, and would have written the date differently. I suppose it came from West Berlin as Americans had no access to East Germany ( DDR ) at that time. Until the wall was built in 1961 there was rather free transit between the sectors in Berlin. People could move between the sectors (often to visit family) and bring goods with them. So while a US Soldier certainly wouldn't get into the Russian sector of Berlin, a specimen could have been brought out by a (soon to be) DDR resident. So I don't think it would be safe to say the specimen was from West Berlin- first, there was no physical barrier, and second, there was not yet a West Berlin (though there was a DDR at that time.) Chuck
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Post by Paul K on Oct 29, 2021 8:38:06 GMT -8
I suppose it came from West Berlin as Americans had no access to East Germany ( DDR ) at that time. Until the wall was built in 1961 there was rather free transit between the sectors in Berlin. People could move between the sectors (often to visit family) and bring goods with them. So while a US Soldier certainly wouldn't get into the Russian sector of Berlin, a specimen could have been brought out by a (soon to be) DDR resident. So I don't think it would be safe to say the specimen was from West Berlin- first, there was no physical barrier, and second, there was not yet a West Berlin (though there was a DDR at that time.) Chuck Great piece of history we should learn from for novadays. While all the facts you mention are correct the beetle was captured on June.27.1962 so the movement between two parts of Berlin was already restricted, however no one can be certain. Beside the history the collection data is not quite important which side exactly the specimen was collected, at least I think.
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Post by johnnyboy on Oct 30, 2021 2:28:02 GMT -8
I attach a photo of a Giant Cellar or Churchyard Beetle, a male Blaps gigas, upperside view and underside with data label. imgur.com/gallery/qlVDyswimgur.com/gallery/UfsFDEdThe beetle is 38mm in body length including the prominent rear spines, known as "mucros" which are really a form of abdominal cerci, more elongate and pronounced in the male. This species is distributed around the Mediterranean area and is found in North Africa too. The adults, like the larva, are omnivorous. The adults prefer dark places. The data label is interesting as this specimen was collected during World War 2. There are several places in France called Brignac, however as Blaps gigas is found in the Mediterranean coastal part of southern France, the village in question is almost certainly in the Languedoc-Roussillon area, very near the Mediterranean sea. This places the capture in what was then "Vichy France", the French War hero from WW1, Phillipe Petain was in charge of the southern area of France, later after the war, he was tried as a Nazi collaborator and sentenced to death but General De Gaulle commuted the penalty to imprisonment. The data card is beautifully written in Indian ink, there is another label on the same pin that shows a typed specimen number etc. I purchased this beetle from the famous Paris shop, La maison Deyrolle in the Rue du Bac. It came from an old French insect collection that was being sold off. This is what makes insect collecting so intetesting, not only the beauty and form of the specimen, with its natural history and taxonomy, but also the fascination of the collector the date and locality it was collected from. In April 1941, this part of France was still under French administration and recognised diplomatically by the USA, but not by the Free French, UK or Russia. Marshal Petain had a strong distrust and dislike of the English, as well as Jewish people. Sadly his collaboration with the Nazis led to many thousands of French people being murdered. Johnny
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 30, 2021 9:39:38 GMT -8
Thank you indeed, johnnyboy AND radusho for your contributions to this topic. The photographs which you have provided are wonderful and the time frames of conflict are intriguing.
Hopefully we will still see others contribute as well down the road. There are certainly plenty of conflict zones, times, and places present (largely) from the 20th century and beyond.
It seems the human species can never get along with itself for very long !
I would think that there would be numerous specimens present in British collections. Also, I would be inclined to think that private collections from France, Belgium, and Spain would also hold artifacts with wartime history from places that they have had a presence in.
Heck, take for example the continent of Africa; it has seen seemingly endless strife (of some sort) through most of its history. Seems there has always been a civilian presence of some manner (and country) who may have lived through tough times (and maybe picked up something along the way).
I am still looking for a fly specimen that I have in my collection which was taken during the Vietnam war. When I find it I shall post a picture.
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Post by rayrard on Nov 13, 2021 17:43:10 GMT -8
The Yale collection has a lot of Charles Remington material from when he was serving in the Philippines in 1944. He was working as an entomologist with the military, no doubt on controlling disease, and lots of the material is larval mosquitoes and biting flies. Some of the labels have "collected in bomb crater" or "shell crater" on them.
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Post by yorky on Nov 14, 2021 3:29:47 GMT -8
A year before Custers last stand at the battle of little bighorn, the union rustic moth pabulatrix pabulatricula now long extinct in Great Britain.
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Post by johnnyboy on Nov 14, 2021 7:48:41 GMT -8
Impressively old specimens, who was the collector?
Johnny
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Post by yorky on Nov 14, 2021 8:04:30 GMT -8
Impressively old specimens, who was the collector? Johnny No idea
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