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Post by marsdenda on Apr 30, 2022 13:59:47 GMT -8
Anyone have an idea of the subspecies of the 3 attached parnassians. Parnassius nomion from Dashan, Dulan Country, Quinghai, China 4000 m Parnassius bremeri from mundanjiang, Heilongjiang China 1500 m Parnassius cephalus from Qunjai Pass, Guide County, Quinghai, China 3500 m  Thanks |
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Post by trehopr1 on Apr 30, 2022 14:26:30 GMT -8
I suggest you try posting these on collectorsecretforum.
There is a member there who is a specialist on Parnassius. If you post it he will see it and his Avatar "call sign" is radusho.
Easily the most experienced/knowledgeable Parnassius enthusiast I know of...
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 1, 2022 0:06:59 GMT -8
I believe these are correct, but would appreciate any expert corrections:
Parnassius nomion gabrieli Bryk, 1934
Parnassius bremeri bremeri Bremer, 1864
Parnassius cephalus cephalus Grum-Grshimailo, 1891
Adam.
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Post by radusho on May 1, 2022 5:09:21 GMT -8
top: left looks to me more like P. epaphus hasegawai than P. nomion, right P. nomion koiwayai
middle: P. bremeri conjuctus
bottom: P. cephalus cephalus
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 1, 2022 7:45:50 GMT -8
top: left looks to me more like P. epaphus hasegawai than P. nomion, right P. nomion koiwayai middle: P. bremeri conjuctus bottom: P. cephalus cephalus Ahhhh, I forgot to check the subspecies of bremeri in Heilongjiang, just assumed it was ssp. bremeri, and I didn't look closely at the photo to spot that one of the nomion is actually epaphus hasegawai. I assumed that the species were correct as I thought marsdenda would have the correct species IDs already. radusho, Do you regard koiwayai as a separate subspecies to gabrieli? Adam. |
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Post by marsdenda on May 1, 2022 7:47:09 GMT -8
Great, thank you for the ID's the top two Parnassius nomion are from the same location so I am not sure if different subspecies fly in the same area.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 1, 2022 12:16:18 GMT -8
The top right specimen is, as radusho said, not P. nomion but is P. epaphus hasegawai, note the smaller size and margins of the hindwings. Adam. |
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