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Post by dertodesking on Jan 9, 2011 13:58:18 GMT -8
Hi all,
I've got an Atrophaneura priapus from Mount Wayang in Western Java.
Would this be of the nominate race?
I'll post a 'photo when the current uploading "issue" is resolved.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Simon
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Post by dertodesking on Jan 10, 2011 12:58:25 GMT -8
Hi All, Hope the picture uploads okay... Here's the butterfly - any ideas anyone? Thanks in advance. Simon Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Jan 13, 2011 7:09:27 GMT -8
According the Tsukuda's book (page 252), Atrophaneura priapus ssp. are dispatched in this way : - A. p. priapus : West Java - A. p. carolinae : Sumatera East - A. p. dilutus : East Java Regarding the geographical distribution, your sample is Atrophaneura priapus priapus. Looking to plate 48 (where ssp. carolinae is not featured), your sample is actually priapus : yellowish marginal band on HW larger than in dilutus, black patches inside this marginal band greater and more strongly marked than in dilutus. All the best !  |
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Post by dertodesking on Jan 14, 2011 13:36:01 GMT -8
According the Tsukuda's book (page 252), Atrophaneura priapus ssp. are dispatched in this way : - A. p. priapus : West Java - A. p. carolinae : Sumatera East - A. p. dilutus : East Java Regarding the geographical distribution, your sample is Atrophaneura priapus priapus. Looking to plate 48 (where ssp. carolinae is not featured), your sample is actually priapus : yellowish marginal band on HW larger than in dilutus, black patches inside this marginal band greater and more strongly marked than in dilutus. All the best ! Thanks for your help! ;D Do you have a reference for the book by Tsukuda you mention? |
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Post by saturniidave on Jan 14, 2011 15:08:27 GMT -8
Simon, I have a copy if you want to pop round for a look sometime.
Dave
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Post by lepidofrance on Jan 14, 2011 18:00:45 GMT -8
The book :  Etsuzo TSUKADA & Yasusuke NISHIYAMA, Butterflies of the South East Asian Islands, vol. 1 Papilionidae, Plapac, Tokyo, 1992 (in english). This book is available in Roppon Ashi ; price : 26, 250 Y = 317 USD see their page : kawamo.co.jp/roppon-ashi/sub117e.htm  As far I know, Roppon Ashi is cheaper than many other internet entomological books sellers ! I use to order almost all my books in Roppon Ashi (it's a free advertising !). All the best ! Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Jan 14, 2011 18:06:42 GMT -8
I must add that the Tsukuda's book is a little bit old (1992). Since it had been published, knowledge about butterflies (range, taxonomy, and so on) has evolved.
It is nevertheless an indispensable book for those who are passionate about leps in this part of the world!
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Post by panzerman on Jan 14, 2011 20:28:59 GMT -8
I am surprised that no supplements have come out with taxa described since 1982. Lots of new ssp., sp. have been discovered in Indonesia since 1982.
John
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Post by nomihoudai on Jan 15, 2011 2:36:44 GMT -8
This book series is a must have for people interested in that region, I hope I can afford the whole series one day too, ... I had been saving up money for a year to get the second part of it about Danainae and Pieridae and it was worth every single cent of what I paid.
@ John, I think when you make such a large series, and then see that after you have finished your work hundreds of new sp. and forms get described where 95% of them are pure nonsense I think you would either have lost the interest in publishing an Appendum trying to take up with the Japanese madness... maybe also the editor is not well in health either, does anyone know if he's still fine ?
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Post by dertodesking on Jan 16, 2011 13:00:12 GMT -8
Hey all, Thanks for your help  I'll add the book to the LONG list of planned purchases!!! Dave - thank you for your generous offer. We will have to meet; it would be great to meet a fellow collector "in the flesh". Simon |
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Post by saturniidave on Jan 17, 2011 9:33:56 GMT -8
Any time Simon, just drop me a line.
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I'll add the book to the LONG list of planned purchases!!!