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Post by catdance62 on Jul 10, 2011 10:28:23 GMT -8
I found this near a bunch of palmettos in Belize. I do not think it is a palm beetle grub. HOwever, I think it may be a beetle larva of some kind. It was about 2 inches long. Attachments:
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Post by simosg on Jul 10, 2011 11:15:39 GMT -8
VERY nice pupae! Never seen anything like this. Definitaly a butterfly pupae. Not a dayflying one.
Hannes
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Post by catdance62 on Jul 10, 2011 12:04:30 GMT -8
no one in Belize knew what it was, even one of our good friends who is a tour guide (so he sees lots of different insects etc.) I hope someone on here can tell us what it is! HOwever, I put it in our bedroom (there, we have a house there) and shut the door. By the time we get back in Sept. it will be evolved into whatever it is and trapped in the room so we can see!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 10, 2011 13:49:16 GMT -8
It looks like a Sphingid (hawkmoth or hornworm depending which side of the Atlantic you come from) pupa to me.
Adam.
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Post by catdance62 on Jul 10, 2011 14:45:54 GMT -8
it's on the Caribbean sea
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 12, 2011 0:31:34 GMT -8
Yes, of course Belize is on the Caribbean sea, I was referring to the US and British common names for Sphingid moths.
Actually I'm not sure if Americans only refer to the larva as a 'hornworm' rather than the adult moth. The name is based on the horn on the tip of the abdomen of larvae of this family of moths.
Adam.
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Post by catdance62 on Jul 12, 2011 13:37:40 GMT -8
Oh I understand, sorry for being kind of dense. Yes, that makes sense
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Post by Chris Grinter on Jul 13, 2011 22:59:35 GMT -8
Very cool pupae, hang onto it until the insect emerges!
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Post by jackblack on Jul 22, 2011 0:09:12 GMT -8
Yep looks like a sphingid pupa , hatch it out and let us all know the sp
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Post by oehlkew on Jul 22, 2011 2:38:24 GMT -8
It is a Sphingidae pupa, probably from Dilophonitini Tribe, most likely one of the Erinnyis species.
Hope you can find it in September, but maybe you can put it in a small enclosure, just big enough for it to emerge and inflate properly, but small enough to keep it from flying and tattering itself all to pieces. I do not know what would work. Maybe you can think of something.
Bill Oehlke.
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Post by lepidofrance on Jul 22, 2011 4:55:53 GMT -8
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Post by lepidofrance on Jul 22, 2011 4:57:09 GMT -8
Second pic for Pseudosphinx tetrio LINNAEUS, 1771.  Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Jul 22, 2011 6:22:00 GMT -8
 Sphingidae : Macroglossinae : Dilophonotini : Pseudosphinx tetrio ♂, (Linnaeus,1771) from page : www.guianensis.fr/photos_sphingidae_1.htm#top Some testimonials: a) It is found on the Frangipani and also on the Allamanda, common in gardens. There are several Allamanda. Personally, I saw that caterpillar on those yellow flowers. The female can lay many eggs on a frangipani decorative small tree 3 to 4 meters high. In the 80s, I saw in the month of July 1 frangipani almost completely defoliated by the caterpillars. Three weeks later, new leaves had grown, and there was no trace of damage caused by P. tetrio. b) I actually saw this caterpillar in Bolivia in the Chapare, in Villa Tunari. 1 - There the trees, there should not be frangipani (I'm no botanist) because it is from 10 to 15 m high. 2 - All larvae of the tree (hundreds), on morning down to hide in the soil and pupate. Attachments:
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Post by starlightcriminal on Jul 26, 2011 7:06:28 GMT -8
I agree, it looks like P. tetrio. I saw caterpillars, very handsome at that, eating various Plumeria sp. (frangipani) in the Dominican Republic. Eats a lot of Apocynaceae genera I believe.
I've got a good photo, anyone have directions for posting here? Missed that and can't find the how-to with search.
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Post by oehlkew on Jul 27, 2011 1:52:24 GMT -8
I still favour one of the Erinnyis species, but I could be wrong. Markings and outlines, especially in tongue sheathe area, seem off for Pseudosphinx tetrio.
If starlightcriminal sends me copy of jpg image of tetrio pupa by regular email, I will post it here for him and also add to tetrio file.
Frangipani is most common foodplant for tetrio, but I am not aware that palmettos and frangipani are closely related. I also am not aware of Erinnyis species feeding on palmettos. Perhaps the larvae was not feeding on palmettos, just in vicinity of same. I am not aware of any Sphingidae that feed on Sabal Palms
Bill Oehlke
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