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Post by civix001 on Oct 28, 2011 5:55:30 GMT -8
Hello everyone, here is an Automeris sp.?? Location : PERU, JUNIN, SATIPO Elevation : +- 1200m If someone can help me ... Thank you Best Attachments:
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Post by saturniidave on Oct 28, 2011 6:44:00 GMT -8
Looks like liberia.
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Post by oehlkew on Nov 4, 2011 7:25:05 GMT -8
I am pretty sure this Automeris is an Automeris amanda subspecies.
Vladimir Izersky sent me images of a very similar moth, also from Junin, and I tentatively identified it for him as Automeris amanda
limpida, but I think limpida is consistently lighter and brighter (more orangey), and this is either the nominate subspecies,
or an undescribed amanda subspecies.
I also cannot rule out Automeris abdominalis. Those are the only two Automeris species that have an almost complete enclosure of the oblong hindwing pupil with a series of white dots.
I also would not be surprised if this is a naturally occuring hybrid
of Automeris amanda with some other Automeris species.
The pm line is more preapical than in amanda subspecies and there is less orange in the hw postmedian areas for me to be 100% confident it is an amanda subspecies.
Size of hindwing eyespot is quite large in the image you have provided, but that is sometimes a variable trait.
None-the-less I will post it to the amanda amanda file.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by oehlkew on Jan 12, 2012 21:40:31 GMT -8
Hi,
I have been revising WLSS pages to reflect the many new Saturniidae species described, especially in 2010-2011, thanks to DNA barcoding analysis.
I note one of the new species is Automeris amanda amandojunica, Brechlin & Meister 2011. I suspect that is what you have here as it is an amanda like species from Junin.
I have recently purchased the journals (Entomo-Satsphingia) in which many of the new descriptions are published. I should be able to confirm when I receive the journals, hopefully shortly.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by oehlkew on Jan 17, 2012 11:05:23 GMT -8
Hi,
I have received the Entomo SatSphingiae journals for 2010-2011 and have looked at the images of recently described Automeris species, including the amanda subspecies. I cannot find a perfect match. The pm line in your specimen is quite preapical, more so than in any likely species/subspecies, the hindwing pupil is extremely large (perhaps an anomaly/aberration), and the hindwing submarginal band is wider and smoother than I can find for any possible species. Maybe you have an aberration, a natural hybrid or something not yet described. Would you be interested in submitting a leg for DNA barcoding analysis? If so, I will try to put you in contact with someone to do the analysis.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by papilio28570 on Jan 23, 2012 18:33:08 GMT -8
Will this cost an arm and a leg or just the leg? ;D
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Post by civix001 on Mar 2, 2012 10:09:00 GMT -8
Hi,
sorry for answer delay but lot busy in my business.
Bill, of course I can send you a leg for a DNA barcoding analysis.
But Can you send me a pm to explain how to do this (maybe it's just as easy as it appears but do not want to make a mistake for the packaging).
Thank you
Best
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Post by colin12303 on Mar 2, 2012 12:52:23 GMT -8
I sent some sats to Carlos Mielke in Brazil.
He recieved them over 2 years ago and was sending them to Canada for DNA testing.
Have not heared anything since.
Maybe it does takes years to be done,so don't hold your breath.
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Post by africaone on Mar 2, 2012 13:04:44 GMT -8
philippe, just visit me at home to let the legs  i will do it for you |
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Post by civix001 on Mar 8, 2012 14:21:33 GMT -8
Hi Thierry,
thank you.
I will get in touch with you as soon as possible. (early april)
Best
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i will do it for you