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Post by joee30 on Jan 27, 2012 7:52:39 GMT -8
In the Los angeles area? I am curious since it's been a while since I've gone out collecting that early in a while. I am going to be there for leave around that time.
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Post by admin on Jan 27, 2012 10:54:19 GMT -8
In the Los angeles area? I am curious since it's been a while since I've gone out collecting that early in a while. I am going to be there for leave around that time. I live here. You will find Sara Orange Tips, green hairstreaks, and some blues coming out in February. Take a drive up Hwy 39 (San Gabriel Canyon) and stop by the culverts on the way up. You might even find the Sonoran Blue. Do you do night collecting? The Euryalus silk moth is out in February in some areas of the San Gabriel Mountains. |
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Post by thanos on Jan 28, 2012 22:44:10 GMT -8
Clark, I love H.euryalus ! I recently got an expupa female -it is a wonderful species  ! The name 'euryalus' indicates the very elongated hindwing 'yalus'(or 'hyalus') of this species,compared to the rest Hyalophora. 'euryalus' comes from the greek 'eurys'(=wide) + yalus(=glass). Thanos |
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Post by what on Jan 29, 2012 9:44:42 GMT -8
I live here. You will find Sara Orange Tips, green hairstreaks, and some blues coming out in February. Take a drive up Hwy 39 (San Gabriel Canyon) and stop by the culverts on the way up. You might even find the Sonoran Blue. Do you do night collecting? The Euryalus silk moth is out in February in some areas of the San Gabriel Mountains. Dont want to say Clark is wrong but I think he might be underestimating our leps this year... At least the ones south of LA here in Orange County are really starting to get good flights going from what I have seen. So far this year I have seen at least one, usually more of these species: Papilio zeliacon Papilio eurymedon Zerene eurydice Nymphalis antiopa Anthocaris sara Erynnis sp. Danaus plexippus Vanessa sp. Pontia protodice one hairstreak I think was Atlides halesus and a couple species of blues I havent been spending nearly as much time in the field as I should either. Lots of warm weather this year has lead to some quite early butterflies.  |
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Post by Chris Grinter on Jan 29, 2012 17:49:57 GMT -8
Clark, I love H.euryalus ! I recently got an expupa female -it is a wonderful species !
The name 'euryalus' indicates the very elongated hindwing 'yalus'(or 'hyalus') of this species,compared to the rest Hyalophora. 'euryalus' comes from the greek 'eurys'(=wide) + yalus(=glass). I would interpret that as pertaining to the long white streaks on the hindwing? The hindwings aren't abnormally wide, but those marks are. |
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Post by Chris Grinter on Jan 29, 2012 18:03:23 GMT -8
In the Los angeles area? I am curious since it's been a while since I've gone out collecting that early in a while. I am going to be there for leave around that time. I live here. You will find Sara Orange Tips, green hairstreaks, and some blues coming out in February. Take a drive up Hwy 39 (San Gabriel Canyon) and stop by the culverts on the way up. You might even find the Sonoran Blue. Do you do night collecting? The Euryalus silk moth is out in February in some areas of the San Gabriel Mountains. There is also quite a diversity of winter moths aside from the Ceanothus silk moth! The best catch is the Pacific Green Sphinx: Proserpinus lucidus, that readily comes to light anywhere in CA from December-March on the coldest nights (the later end of the range is for further north). They do prefer chaparral habitats. You should also keep an eye out for day flying Annaphila - they feed on plants in the Boraginaceae (something like Baby Blue Eyes) and some species seem to love to nectar on willow. There are probably 50+ species of moths flying right now in LA county, lots of Noctuidae and Geometridae - and you can keep an eye out for young Hemileuca caterpillars! |
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Post by admin on Jan 29, 2012 20:44:06 GMT -8
I live here. You will find Sara Orange Tips, green hairstreaks, and some blues coming out in February. Take a drive up Hwy 39 (San Gabriel Canyon) and stop by the culverts on the way up. You might even find the Sonoran Blue. Do you do night collecting? The Euryalus silk moth is out in February in some areas of the San Gabriel Mountains. Dont want to say Clark is wrong but I think he might be underestimating our leps this year... At least the ones south of LA here in Orange County are really starting to get good flights going from what I have seen. So far this year I have seen at least one, usually more of these species: Papilio zeliacon Papilio eurymedon Zerene eurydice Nymphalis antiopa Anthocaris sara Erynnis sp. Danaus plexippus Vanessa sp. Pontia protodice one hairstreak I think was Atlides halesus and a couple species of blues I haven't been spending nearly as much time in the field as I should either. Lots of warm weather this year has lead to some quite early butterflies. You are absolutely right, if you include the lowlands. I was just commenting on my immediate area here in the San Gabriels, from 1,000 ft and up. Those bugs I mentioned are the first to come out at higher elevations that are worth driving up to the mountains for. I didn't include the Pieris stuff because they seem to always be around. But, hey, we are having rather warm weather. What happened to winter? I hear there is NO SNOW in Yosemite and Tioga Pass. How can this be? Global warming? But still I am very surprised that you have seen those species in OC already in January. I am from OC and I used to collect in Silverado Canyon. I don't recall seeing those species on the wing this early! Especially not eurydice and eurymedon. Wow! It's going to be an interesting season in SoCal. |
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Post by admin on Jan 29, 2012 20:52:56 GMT -8
I live here. You will find Sara Orange Tips, green hairstreaks, and some blues coming out in February. Take a drive up Hwy 39 (San Gabriel Canyon) and stop by the culverts on the way up. You might even find the Sonoran Blue. Do you do night collecting? The Euryalus silk moth is out in February in some areas of the San Gabriel Mountains. There is also quite a diversity of winter moths aside from the Ceanothus silk moth! The best catch is the Pacific Green Sphinx: Proserpinus lucidus, that readily comes to light anywhere in CA from December-March on the coldest nights (the later end of the range is for further north). They do prefer chaparral habitats. You should also keep an eye out for day flying Annaphila - they feed on plants in the Boraginaceae (something like Baby Blue Eyes) and some species seem to love to nectar on willow. There are probably 50+ species of moths flying right now in LA county, lots of Noctuidae and Geometridae - and you can keep an eye out for young Hemileuca caterpillars! Hey Chris, thanks for reminding me of all the stuff that is here in LA. I was being a slacker on that reply and didn't think the OP would be interested in LBMs (little brown moths). But, lucidus is something I'd really like to catch. And I'd like to make a movie about collecting it. I'm trying to get Dave Wikle to take me with him for catching this down here. I've never seen one in the wild. |
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Post by Chris Grinter on Jan 29, 2012 21:15:47 GMT -8
Lucidus is surprisingly common, I've found it from Dec. 1 - Mar 17. The Junction at "Cameron Corners" just north of Campo had it common at the gas station lights on 26 Feb 2009 - same for Jacumba.
But every single trap I'd put out in January in Santa Ynez had 1-4 lucidus in it. Peak flight for that area was around the 20th of January with 7 in one trap.
Males are much more common 20:1 and fly just at dusk. Turn your light on early and you should see one or two buzz in within an hour of sunset. But of course Wikle is the guru!
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Post by what on Jan 29, 2012 22:40:26 GMT -8
But still I am very surprised that you have seen those species in OC already in January. I am from OC and I used to collect in Silverado Canyon. I don't recall seeing those species on the wing this early! Especially not eurydice and eurymedon. Wow! It's going to be an interesting season in SoCal. I collected a male Z. eurydice(my first) and saw the P. eurymedon both on the same day(1-13-12), two days after seeing my first A. sara of the year. From what I was told the P. eurymedon is the new early record for the state. |
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Post by thanos on Jan 29, 2012 23:44:48 GMT -8
Yes Chris,about H.euryalus I was meaning the white discal marks on hindwings . They're bigger/more elongated than the ones of cecropia and columbia . The genus Hyalophora means that its members have white marks like 'white glass' on the wings. Comes from 'hyalo'=glass and 'phoreas'=the one who has something. Thanos |
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Post by evra on Jan 30, 2012 20:35:51 GMT -8
I'm not sure about bigger, but certainly much more elongated. Interestingly the Hyalophora columbia gloveri that fly in SE Arizona during the monsoon kind of resemble H. euryalus by being bright red, but they don't have the very elongated windows, so I guess it's appropriately named species.
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Post by joee30 on Feb 4, 2012 15:28:32 GMT -8
thanks guys. I can't wait to head out there and out to the field. It's going to be and interesting year here in TN as well. It's been pretty warm here in Ft. Campbell. It's a hell of a lot better than it was in Kyrghizstan. I am going to look for some Sonoran blues, and Anthocharis as well. I would not mind getting some Arctonotus as well along with Hylophora euryalus. By any chance, do any of you know where I can aquire some pupae for them? and might the desert Indra's be out too? |
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Post by damesd on Feb 18, 2012 16:15:05 GMT -8
Collecting on Ft. Campbell, huh? I can remember being stationed there doing the "eagle clean up" or whatever they called it when units would walk through the field pickup up all the concertina, old magazines, etc, left out in the field and finding lots of Saturniidae pupae on the trees!
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Post by Chris Grinter on Feb 18, 2012 23:58:00 GMT -8
thanks guys. I can't wait to head out there and out to the field. It's going to be and interesting year here in TN as well. It's been pretty warm here in Ft. Campbell. It's a hell of a lot better than it was in Kyrghizstan. I am going to look for some Sonoran blues, and Anthocharis as well. I would not mind getting some Arctonotus as well along with Hylophora euryalus. By any chance, do any of you know where I can aquire some pupae for them? and might the desert Indra's be out too? There are quite a few people who rear the euryalus, you should ask in the classifieds or keep an eye out in a month or two (or ask our great overlord Clark). Arctonotus on the other hand is difficult to rear because of their sensitive overwintering and ground pupation. There is a lot of trial and error involved - and you need plenty of primrose for them to feed on. Dave Wikle is one of the few I've known to successfully rear this moth: www.silkmoths.bizland.com/alucidus.htmThe indra up around LA would be pergamus and they aren't out until May/June (late March in San Diego). It also seemed to me that the sites in the San Gabriel's for this butterfly have been over collected. Undoubtedly they exist somewhere up there - but has anyone collected Indra above LA recently? |
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