mike
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Post by mike on Feb 11, 2012 13:36:15 GMT -8
Hi I need help for this specimens from Cameroon to me it like sphingidae Attachments:
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Post by prillbug2 on Feb 11, 2012 15:59:31 GMT -8
No, it's in the family Lymantriidae. This genus Pachymetana (or it's close), ranges further south into South Africa of different species. Pinhey's Moths of South Africa might help. Also, African Moths web site, on line.
Jeff Prill
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Post by thanos on Feb 11, 2012 21:53:53 GMT -8
Jeff,you mean Lasiocampidae. Yes,it's a male Lasiocampid. For the genus I'm not sure.
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 12, 2012 2:50:07 GMT -8
I would say it is not Pachymetana, Pachymetana has a totally different wingshape. I have seen hundreds of African Lasiocampidae and nothing comparable to this specimen, thus I have my doubts if it really is one. Of course the antennae and the anatomy of the whole head region look similar to a Lasiocampidae. There is two genera which are closest looking by either having dentated wings or "eyespots". Nevertheless these genera still look different, the large round spike in (B.) is something that I have seen in Noctuoidea but not in Lasiocampidae. Also the curvature in the wing at A. I have never seen in a Lasiocampidae. The hindwings differ also, there is a spike at (C.) whereas Lasiocampidae usually have their largest spike in the hindwing close to the upper boarder of hindwing. The eyespots also differ (D.), Lasiocampidae usually have simple and round spots or a flat elongated one if any. The picture is not very good but also the texture of the wing itself looks like it is not a strong wing and that it would be very easy to move them, Lasiocampidae got strong thick wings. There is a rather easy test to check if we are in Noctuoidea or in Lasiocampoidea, check if the specimen got a frenulum on the hindwing, it is a chitinized curved spike which joins hindwing and forewing on the underside at the base of both wings. Lasiocampoidea lack the frenulum. Also a better pic and maybe a better few onto the head would be helpful and an exact size of the specimen. Given all this I would not put my hand into fire that it is a Lasiocampidae but I may be very well mistaken. Attachments:
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Post by africaone on Feb 12, 2012 3:34:32 GMT -8
nothing to do with Lasiocampidae, nor Lymantridae.
will tell more soon.
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mike
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Post by mike on Feb 12, 2012 7:01:57 GMT -8
Hi Thank for helping me on this one . I am sending you a onto pic but it's not very clear I hope that will help you , the size it's a small specimen 40mm. w.s. Attachments:
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 12, 2012 8:43:03 GMT -8
40mm is tiny, all the Lasiocampidae of that size have a very round shape and large fluffy bodies (like Holarctic Malacosoma). Anyway, Thierry will solve the riddle  |
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Post by maliciousinchworm on Feb 12, 2012 9:40:12 GMT -8
Hi all,
It is Sphingomima sp. (Geometridae, Ennominae). Impossible to reach species level with my current ID tools, might be possible to go further on it in the future, although it seems there´s plenty of work to be done in this genus, according with the quantity of unnasigned specimens in the iBOL database...
Regards,
Alejandro A.
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Post by africaone on Feb 12, 2012 9:53:30 GMT -8
nothing to add to the right Alejandro's answer !
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Post by thanos on Feb 12, 2012 17:41:51 GMT -8
Yes,congrats Alejandro,this was a difficult one ! The antennae and body on this photo looked much like Lasiocampidae.
There are photographed 2 very similar specimens to this one on bold systems site,but they are unidentified to the species level ,-only as Sphingomima.
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Post by africaone on Feb 13, 2012 0:31:14 GMT -8
in the wild, this doesn't have any look of lasiocampid (no more any kind of links).
the picture doesn't rend the special texture and shape (3 D) of the wings.
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