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Post by saturniidave on Jan 29, 2011 10:51:47 GMT -8
I see someone is selling a 'fresh female' of Baronia brevicornis on ebay, Insectnet Classifieds ad. no 38393. I thought that this species was a) CITES and b) protected in Mexico. I also thought all collecting was banned in Mexico. If this is so how can specimens still be coming from there?
Dave
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Post by wolf on Jan 29, 2011 11:00:14 GMT -8
Dave I can find nothing about Baronia brevicornis being on CITES in their database, on their site. And i guess illigal collecting is happening everywhere, so why not mexico  |
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Post by saturniidave on Jan 29, 2011 13:00:00 GMT -8
I guess so Wolf, I should have checked on CITES website. So why is it not on there when it has such a limited distribution, like chikae, hospiton or alexandrae? Shows what a heap of crap Cites is I suppose.
I also guess stuff will be illegally collected and sold no matter what. The Mexicans want to do what the Brazilians do, nothing comes from there any more so they must be policing it properly!
Dave
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Post by maliciousinchworm on Jan 29, 2011 13:54:45 GMT -8
Hi! Dear Dave, I think the have more serious problems to take care of rather than being after some mad mexicans who collect and sell some insects. I´m in contact with a couple of collectors from Mexico and they have never mentioned of having any problem with laws. An about CITES, I will say nothing, I don´t care about them anymore. If any time they begin to do things correctly and protects species that are really endangered I will trust them. In the meanwhile we can enjoy how hundreds of common P. chikae hermeli are sold in the market. If you´re tempted to start a discussion on CITES you´re free to do it, but we have already talked about it, don´t we? I hope to be receiving some Geometridae from Brazil this year, so don´t be so sure nothing comes out from there  Regards, Alejandro A: |
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Post by saturniidave on Jan 29, 2011 16:21:10 GMT -8
That is exactly what I meant Alejandro, CITES is a joke, everyone knows that and you are right, it has been talked about many times on here.
Personally I am not bothered by folks sending bugs out of Mexico, Brazil or anywhere else, the non-collecting laws are just a PR stunt anyway.
Dave
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Post by panzerman on Jan 29, 2011 19:26:34 GMT -8
I think the Mexican govt. has their hands full in their war vs the drug cartels, who have murdered 60,000 people inlast five years. I would say that ranks higher on their priority, then going after some guys swinging butterfly nets!
John
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Post by jshuey on Feb 15, 2011 15:58:48 GMT -8
The issue is really that Mexico has very strong laws about exporting wildlife without a permit - and like John says above, they have other issues to deal with. Getting permits is almost impossible except for research and then you have to work closely with researchers in Mexico.
As part of CITES, most countries agree to support other countries laws on the subject. In the US, FWS will prosecute if specimens are obtained without proper permits - it happens on a semi-regular basis. So ask first to see scans of permits if the thought of legal issues worries you. A few years ago, this blew up with John Kemner, and resulted in a few convictions and lots of collections confiscated. This happened with an a guy I know in Ohio when I was in school there - and pretty much destroyed the collector in question. So - if you don't want trouble, ask about permits first.
The issue isn't Mexico prosecuting - it's your country prosecuting.
John
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