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Post by lucanidae25 on Nov 7, 2012 15:38:19 GMT -8
I can keep the yellow with Odontolabis by acetone and drying in the fridge but Cheirotonus is so much more difficult, the best result was by starving then dry in the fridge but it's still not yellow when dried.  |
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Post by nosorog on Nov 7, 2012 18:02:40 GMT -8
It's hard to see the beauty (color, shape) of these beetles when they are papered. :-(
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Post by africaone on Nov 7, 2012 23:50:58 GMT -8
there is a similar color problem with the African Cetoniid of the genus Pachnoda. They lost their beauty with lossing the original yellow / orange color !
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Post by lucanidae25 on Nov 8, 2012 3:06:05 GMT -8
I acetone both Cheirotonus formosanus and C. macleayi fresh (not dried) but they still turned into darker orange.
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Post by titanus on Jan 25, 2013 23:28:40 GMT -8
sp. jambar is hard to find is because they are Protective species, right?
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Post by lucanidae25 on Jan 26, 2013 3:48:32 GMT -8
jambar is the most highly protected beetle in Japan. It's only found in a very small area in Okinawa Is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 6:09:16 GMT -8
I know it's not cheirotonus sp, but just thought I would share theses with you. Euchirus dupontianus Male 74.30mm Female 59.27mm pete Attachments:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 21, 2013 6:21:41 GMT -8
My friend said that he heard that killing Cheirotonus with Sulphur dioxide stops the loss of colour. The only problem is it makes the legs very stiff. He asked me only a couple of days ago whether Sulphur dioxide could be bought in Chiang Mai or not. Unfortunately I didn't know the answer to that one, as it's not a chemical I use for Papilionidae.
Adam.
PS. My friend said that the Sulphur dioxide is formed by mixing 2 chemicals in the killing jar, he said the Japanese use it, but doesn't know what the chemicals are.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 21, 2013 6:25:29 GMT -8
By the way, the place names above are Chiang Dao, Chiang Mai Prov., Thailand and Wieng Pa Pao, Chiang Rai Prov., Thailand. Wieng Pa Pao is about half way between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai.
Wieng Pa Pao can be spelt Wiang Pa Pao, and also 'Pa Pao' can be written as one word. Wiang/Wieng means 'town' in the northern Thai (Lanna) language.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 21, 2013 7:28:41 GMT -8
I forgot to mention that Cheirotonus parryi is protected under Thai law, along with Cladognathus giraffa, Mohoutia batesi and Mormolyce ringens.
Adam.
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Post by nomad on Jul 21, 2013 9:36:34 GMT -8
Hi lucanidae25. Wow impressive beetles, you must have a very large collection. I believe from earlier posts you go into the jungle to catch these bugs. A interesting storage system you have adopted. I think this came up before but why do you store your beetles this way. I assume its because of storage space or you are on the move a lot.
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Post by bichos on Jul 21, 2013 18:15:24 GMT -8
I forgot to mention that Cheirotonus parryi is protected under Thai law, along with Cladognathus giraffa, Mohoutia batesi and Mormolyce ringens. Adam. Do you know what this protection actually means? Is it a fine if you are caught with the mentioned species within Thailand? Surely protection cannot enforced elsewhere, as they are not CITES listed. |
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Post by bichos on Jul 21, 2013 18:16:00 GMT -8
In reference to the storage question:
I have started to store my specimens this way as well, as it is a big time saver to not have to pin them.
Also, I beleive he is very tactile, so holding the specimens is somehting he wants to be able to do. There are other advantages. Like minimised storage and less risk of damage.
There is quite a large threat on this somewhere in the forum.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 22, 2013 0:39:11 GMT -8
I forgot to mention that Cheirotonus parryi is protected under Thai law, along with Cladognathus giraffa, Mohoutia batesi and Mormolyce ringens. Adam. Do you know what this protection actually means? Is it a fine if you are caught with the mentioned species within Thailand? Surely protection cannot enforced elsewhere, as they are not CITES listed. It is illegal to capture, kill, possess or trade specimens of the listed species within Thailand, and that includes specimens from other countries if they are inside Thailand. I think that punishment if you are caught with a few specimens would indeed only be confiscation and a fine, maybe with a suspended sentence, but a jail term is quite possible for larger numbers obviously for sale. I heard that the authorities cannot tell the difference between different Cheirotonus species, so they treat all of them as being the protected parryi. Protection can be and is enforced in the USA for specimens from Thailand, as they have a law that states that protection laws in other countries apply within the USA to specimens from those countries. Thus it is illegal in the USA to possess specimens of Cheirotonus parryi from Thailand, but the same species from other countries, such as Burma, are not illegal in the USA. Adam. |
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Post by bichos on Jul 22, 2013 1:03:59 GMT -8
Thanks for clarifying that for us Adam.
C. parryi is my favorite of all the Cheirotonus species.
I hope its not in real danger of extinction and protection is guided more towards minimizing trade, rather than a need to protect it due to a threatened status.
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