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Post by lucanini on Nov 9, 2012 15:28:16 GMT -8
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Post by prillbug4 on Nov 9, 2012 17:25:19 GMT -8
I'm not too impressed. I have most of the Cerambycidae, and from what I hear, he doesn't provide good data. I don't like to be ripped off on data since it has to be precise and properly recorded. If I find a specimen that isn't provided with good data, I will either find out where it was collected or throw it away.
Jeff Prill
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Post by lucanini on Nov 10, 2012 3:49:33 GMT -8
Sorry, what do you mean? I asked for help to id that beetles, not cerambycidae?
And one more thing, why you said about the data or something else, I don't understand. We are a new website team and just sold some cerambycidae from the website, none of customer is you. They are quite happy with the specimens and data. What are you really saying about?
Thanks
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quangthai
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Vietnam - Lucanidae
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Post by quangthai on Nov 10, 2012 4:13:13 GMT -8
Dear Mr. Jeff Prill and Lucanid May be Mr. Jeff Prill had a mistake here. the website www.vietnaminsect.com is a special new website of trading of Vietnam insects. This website have just opened since 30th October 2012. The owner of this website was three members (nick name on FB): Mr. Hexapoda; Dorcus Vietnam and Vietnam Bugs. I know they did not sell any beetle without collecting data or fail data before. If possible Mr. Jeff Prill mistake this team with other person who has the close name. That is my experience when work with them. Thank all. |
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Post by prillbug4 on Nov 10, 2012 6:53:10 GMT -8
No mistake! I won't buy insects that don't have data. Again, they have misidentified several specimens at least the ones they have identified.
Jeff Prill
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Post by lucanini on Nov 10, 2012 17:28:06 GMT -8
Misidentify some species can be happen, that why we ask for helping to id them, but the data is exactly what we take from the catchers. We try as much as possible to get the true data for every specimens. We are the team that supply the insects from Vietnam with best data, I know other person who even only noted all data only Vietnam and mix them by localities. You can not find from other suppliers who can give you better data from Vietnam, I am sure!
You can see that how we work in the next year, I sure that you you change your opinion soon! We just selling from website some weeks!
Thank you so much for comment.
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Post by prillbug4 on Nov 10, 2012 17:59:38 GMT -8
That's why I have a library of papers going back 50 years. It took me years to acquire it. If the data is excatly what you take from the collectors, then I am very suspicious about it's accuracy if it doesn't have map coordinates and elevation. Besides, how do you know that they are telling you the truth about where they've collected it? I would rather do my own work in the field and record my own data with my own hand, because I'm fed up with skimpy data that doesn't give me the whole picture.
Jeff Prill
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Post by africaone on Nov 11, 2012 0:31:31 GMT -8
"they have misidentified several specimens at least the ones they have identified" Jeff, that is what is interesting in such cases ... you can buy good things at low prices !  and in that situation you touch dividends of the knowledges you accumulate year after year !  |
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Post by lucanini on Nov 11, 2012 3:21:36 GMT -8
Yes, you are right Africaone, if we misidentify, buyer maybe can get some very good specimens with low price! And even with the right identify, we also sell with a low price!
About the data, I am also a researcher and intend to collect all material by myself before. But now I understand that with should be combined collecting and trading/exchanging, the locality can be confirm later with my trip, then we can sure about the location. We can not collect many as the local catchers, who live near the forest and collect the insects any times. They are really helpful for our study, without them, we will miss many interesting species.
We only are 3 entomologists and we can not cover all group, so why we misidentify some specimens, however it is really good change for someone who care much about some good specimens.
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quangthai
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Post by quangthai on Nov 11, 2012 3:59:40 GMT -8
I see what Mr. Jeff was wonder!  full and correct collecting data was the most important information of any scientific material. One wrong data specimen was a worst specimen.  Beside I also agree to Mr. Africaone that a unknown specimen or a miss ID specimens was a good specimens for any scientist. It mean they have many works to do with them. ;D I think it is very bored if every problem was clearly and do not need discoveries.  |
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Post by dkeith on Nov 11, 2012 12:06:48 GMT -8
i would go for Gymnopleurus melanarius, but it's hard to be sure with that single picture
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