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Post by simosg on Jan 29, 2013 12:30:41 GMT -8
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Post by nomad on Jan 29, 2013 12:55:30 GMT -8
Jaume showed a Straatman male O. paradisea paradisea specimen in the recent Favourite Ornithoptera thread. I believe his specimens came from the Finisterre Mountains.
Peter.
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2013 5:05:14 GMT -8
There is a very detailed article by Brian Fletcher on O. paradisea paradisea from Madang, in the Conservation of Birdwing Butterflies book which is out of print, but this can be read on-line or downloaded at the editor's website which is www.richmondbirdwing.org.au The article also has colour photographs of the O. paradisea paradisea adults and early stages. [Click on the colour picture of the Birdwing Book on the above website homepage to read the article] Peter
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2013 6:03:52 GMT -8
Here is a very beautiful image of Ornithoptera paradisea borchi taken in 2007 by Lastum in the East Sepik Province, Papua. What a lucky encounter, to have this rare butterfly taking nectar so low down. Attachments:
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Post by froggy on Feb 2, 2013 10:56:44 GMT -8
Here's a lovely print from the Rippon's magnificent Icones vol 1. He refers to Paradisea var. Meridionalis. I remember an article discussing Meridionalis as a form of Paradisea not too long ago which confused the heck out of me. Could this be the origin of this strange rumor? As far as I can tell, what he referred to as Meridionalis looks very much like Arfakensis. I find it also very interesting that he drew the female Flavescens with large size dark spots on the hindwing, and more like what we would now call Detanii. Thierry Attachments:
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Post by froggy on Feb 2, 2013 10:59:07 GMT -8
Here's Rippon's gorgeous plate with the nominate Paradisea ;D enjoy, Thierry Attachments:
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Post by simosg on Feb 2, 2013 11:06:00 GMT -8
Are the locations known of the pictured specimen?
Hannes
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Post by froggy on Feb 2, 2013 11:57:31 GMT -8
Hannes, Attached is the text from Rippon's Icones that refers to the Paradisea forms he pictured. Not much detail there, although it is quite clear that var. Punctata is the nominate form (maybe a color variation that stuck Mr. Hagen's fancy ;D). Thierry Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Feb 2, 2013 17:00:31 GMT -8
Thierry
When the first female O. meridionalis was caught by the collector Anthony in 1895 and sent to Walter Rothschild he described it in 1897 as [Troides] Ornithoptera paradisea meridionalis. Later when Meek caught the first male in 1899, Rothschild realized his mistake and named it as a new species. Rippon however in his very beautiful Icones Ornithopterorum seems to have been at first confused by this, because he clearly shows the O. meridionalis male as a species and the female as a subspecies of O. paradisea. It is interesting that he appears to show the type male O. paradisea from Erima, Astrolabe Bay and the type female from the Finisterre Mountains in Papua.
Peter.
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Post by froggy on Feb 2, 2013 20:54:17 GMT -8
Thanks Peter I confess I am utterly confused about Meridionalis. Over the holidays I had a chance to stop by the shop "Nature et Passion" of Camille LePiouff in Paris (a very nice and very honest dealer BTW), and he showed me a papered specimen of a "new" form from Nabire which is supposedly different from either Taruggarensis or Meridionalis. For the life of me I could not tell any difference, aside from what could be attributed to minor individual variations (the male of the new form was a somewhat darker green color). The picts I have seen on the net and in various books of the male and female of either the nominate or Tarunggarensis forms don't give much clue as to how to resolve this identity crisis ;D. And although I very much agree that location and history are important criteria in our understanding of this Meridionalis puzzle, I am reluctant to accept a different sub-species name for what I think may only be a cline within a single widely spread population. Attached is an all-together different specimen of Meridionalis that I found on the net a few months ago, but clearly an individual form (sorry there were no capture data on this one ). best, Thierry Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Feb 3, 2013 3:43:12 GMT -8
In this thread, some of you may have seen that Larry Orsak and Dr Brian Fletcher studied the early stages of Ornithoptera paradisea paradisea during 1996 in the Kau reserve, north of Madang. I Have recently had personal communication with Legi Sam from Madang, a former Papuan research student who has studied and collected widely in Madang Province. He has told me of his sightings of the adult nominate O. paradisea which he observed during his recent travels. In his own words " During my studies in PNG at Madang, Baiteta, Baitabag, Kau, Ohu, Wanang and Finisterre Mtns, I recorded only two male individuals of O. paradisea in Wanang about 120km west of Madang. I have spoken to local villagers in the other locations and they report seeing this species also except in the Finisterre Mountains. Like you, I also think that this population is under threat" Legi also mentioned " I observed in Wanang what seemed to me a female individual O. paradisea female. However I was not able to verify its identity without catching the specimen. I only caught a male specimen which now resides in my collection in Madang". Baiteta and Baitabag are in the area of Kau where the Orsak and Fletcher research took place. Ohu is a small rainforest reserve lying a short distance to the west of Madang. Wanang where Legi saw and captured O. paradisea lies in the Lower Ramu River Valley. Wanang conservation area was protected in 2000 by 11 village clans. This entire Lower Ramu area was designated as a logging concession, until the village clans formed the Wanang conservation areas and declared their forest off-limits for loggers. Their actions have protected 10,000 ha of pristine lowland rainforest. It now appears that the nominate O. paradisea paradisea is now the rarest Ornithoptera taxon and a very valuable to have in your collection. The exception might be O. chimaera flavidior, where again, so very few specimens have come forth from Papua in recent years. Peter. [Thierry see the O. meridionalis thread]
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Post by nomad on Mar 8, 2013 8:59:29 GMT -8
I find very strange to discover a new Ornitho species on Biak and Yapen which are not so big and had been thoroughly studied entomologicaly speaking. Would be happy to read Adam thoughts about this. I wouldn't describe a subspecies from "dealers material". I am happy to say that, there is indeed two more Ornithoptera species occuring in the interior of Yapen Island, and one is the Ornithoptera paradisea, that has recently been described from Yapen by Deslisle and Sclavo as O. paradisea arfakensis f. local fernandi, and the other is O. tithonus which has yet to be captured and described and this will certainly be a good subspecies and that this was known by Jan Pasternak who first saw them there in 1994 .[ See his 2008 CD ROM for further details]. Jan with two guides was deep in the rugged mountainous interior of Yapen when he came across a huge rainforest blossom tree that was being visited by many birdwing butterflies of four species O. goliath, O. priamus, O. paradisea [arfakensis] and O. tithonus. He mentions that he observed this fantastic spectacle for hours. I wonder if the new O. tithonus will resemble subspecies miresiana from the Arfak Mountains. I find it strange and exciting that the Yapan O. paradisea is a form of O. arfakensis
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Post by mikelock34 on Aug 16, 2013 13:12:13 GMT -8
I collected in the area near the Christensen Research Institute research building that was built in Madang. That was in 1997. There was a local there who had a large net encloser built in preparation for breeding Ornithoptera paradisea paradisea for sale to IFTA. At the time I was collecting there he told me that he was waiting on permission from the PNG government to obtain breeding stock to begin his operation.
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Post by nomad on Aug 16, 2013 22:02:45 GMT -8
Mike. Very interesting, I have been told that they never got government permission to sell the nominate race, although as you say, everything was in place to do so. I have also been told that all of IFTA specimens were from the East Sepik Province [ssp borchi]. The butterfly farmers in this area, were I believe, helped by Ray Staatman before he had to leave New Guinea.
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