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Post by wolf on Feb 14, 2013 6:14:24 GMT -8
From Palawan, Philippines. Pretty damaged so is it possible to id? I think i have a clue about what it is, but need som help to confirm! Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Feb 14, 2013 7:31:48 GMT -8
If actually from Palawan, could be Pachliopta aristolochiae brevicauda Staudinger, 1889. If from an other island (Philippinas), could be P. kotzebuea Eschscholtz, 1821.
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Post by wolf on Feb 14, 2013 7:48:54 GMT -8
thanks lepido. Yes it is from Palawan, i thought maybe it was P. atropos.
I also have P. kotzebuea from Mindoro island, and its not the same
after looking at pics of Pachliopta aristolochiae it does not look the same to me, it has white spots on the hindwings, unless ofc the ssp u named is all black, but i cant find anything about the ssp either?
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Post by lepidofrance on Feb 14, 2013 8:44:18 GMT -8
Subspecies brevicauda from Palawan is very peculiar among aristolochiae ssp.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 14, 2013 9:07:48 GMT -8
This is a female of Pachliopta antiphus ssp. yoshikoae Okano, 1988. Unfortunately the name brevicauda Staudinger, 1889 is an infrasubspecific name, and thus unavailable, but would be unavailable as a junior homonym of Papilio brevicauda Saunders, 1869 (the machaon group taxon from Quebec) anyway. yoshikoae is the only available name for this taxon, and was described from Cuyo Island.
Note the red submarginal spots on the hindwing underside, which are absent in Pachliopta atropos. That species has an all black hindwing underside.
With regard to 'aristolochiae', that species has been restricted to mainland Asia, with the taxa previously included in aristolochiae from the Indonesian islands separated into two species, P. antiphus and P. adamas, by Page & Treadaway, 1995 (Nachr. entomol. Ver. Apollo, Suppl. 14: 125-148).
P. antiphus is found on Sumatra, Borneo, Palawan and some Philippine islands, and always lacks a white discal patch on the hindwings. P. adamas occurs from Java eastward through the Lesser Sunda Islands. Some ssp. are melanic and some have a white discal patch. Interestingly the type of P. antiphus came from Mt. Gede, West Java, but in the past 100 years or so antiphus has become extinct in Java, pushed out by P. adamas from the east.
Adam.
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Post by wolf on Feb 14, 2013 9:33:56 GMT -8
Thanks for the id and clarification Adam
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Post by lepidofrance on Feb 14, 2013 14:02:06 GMT -8
Many thanks, Adam, for these informations ! My Tsukada seems to be somewhat obsolete !
JMG
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