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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 5:07:38 GMT -8
I saw a pair of dispar dispar last month at my friends, over 150 years old and still as fresh as they were then. Robert Adkin is a very famous name in British entomology, I have many British rarities but getting these is a lot more difficult.
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Post by suzuki on Mar 3, 2013 6:54:29 GMT -8
I was lucky enough to buy a pair from Paul Smart in 1973. I had to save for 9 months doing a night job whilst at University studying to pay for them. At that time Smart appeared to have a monopoly on dispar dispar in England. I am glad I did though.
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Post by richiejames on Mar 3, 2013 9:00:59 GMT -8
Hi all, Great specimens, Check this old list and prices for lycaena dispar from 1980 "Oh to be wealthy in the early eighties." Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Mar 3, 2013 13:08:23 GMT -8
Radusho, nice rare specimens, its a shame they are extinct in Denmark.
Suzuki, those hard one specimens will always be treasured, I bet you are glad that you bought them, look at what a good pair would cost now.
Richiejames. Thanks for posting the Paul Smart L. dispar dispar price list. That was a fortune way back then [ my price was only a rough estimate what a single specimen might go for now, perhaps a A1 specimen with full data would go for much more]. Paul Smart was rather aloof person but sold fabulous specimens at his museum, it is a pity money was in even shorter supply then. The Saruman was a great place to buy specimens and I loved receiving his mailing list, what treasures they held. At the A. E. S. and Leicester Insect Fairs. Paul Smart always had the best specimens and I thought his prices were very reasonable at those. Its a great shame there is nothing to match those great insects fairs in England today and all the best dealers like Paul Smart and Mr Bacon of the Midlands have gone.
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Post by richiejames on Mar 3, 2013 14:07:18 GMT -8
Yes indeed Peter, They were the days. I can remember going down to St Mary's West Sussex on a number of occasions. I bumped into Paul smart twice and I can only go along with your description of him. In fact at one point he was certainly looking down his nose at me. I digress I was lucky to purchase some very good specimen of Onithoptera just before they closed down in 1983. Subsequently I also attended the sale at Sotheby's of Pulborough. There again I bid and won some very good specimens. The prices for some of the material sold was quite astronomical. It was probably one of the last great sales of world lepidoptera held in England. Here are a couple of photos from the sale catalogue. Enjoy, Richard  Attachments:
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Post by richiejames on Mar 3, 2013 14:10:02 GMT -8
and one more Attachments:
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Post by suzuki on Mar 3, 2013 16:25:55 GMT -8
Mrs Smart was far more approachable and helpful than Paul who indeed always appeared very aloof until you got your cheque book out.
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Post by nomad on Mar 4, 2013 11:10:53 GMT -8
Richard
Thanks for post that amazing Paul Smart sales catalogue. He had a huge private collection, probably one of the best in private hands. His L. dispar dispar look all A1. I wonder why he sold his massive collection, I thought he was quite well off.
Peter
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 4, 2013 13:19:57 GMT -8
Here is a selection of specimens from a friends collection. Is it Clive, by chance? Simon |
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Post by nomad on Mar 4, 2013 13:33:37 GMT -8
Here is a selection of specimens from a friends collection. Is it Clive, by chance? Simon Hi Simon the collector prefers to remain anonymous. |
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 5, 2013 1:23:58 GMT -8
This is not L. dispar dispar, we are talking about that subspecies! They got extinct in ~1850, this is some reintroduced stock.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 1:49:55 GMT -8
yes i know. Just thought i'd share the link incase anyone didn't have any in their collection.  sorry, i'll delete the reply........ |
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Post by bobw on Mar 5, 2013 2:10:02 GMT -8
I used to spend quite a lot of time (and money!) at Saruman and the NBM. I used to deal pretty much exclusively with Chris Samson - the curator there - we still keep in touch, in fact I'm meeting him for a beer later this month. I wouldn't really have wanted to deal with Paul Smart as he was a particularly pompous type; Chris once introduced me to him (although I'd met him before) and he just said "Ah, you spend a lot of money with us don't you", then wandered off and didn't say another word. His wife Gita wasn't much better.
As far as I know Paul sold up because of ill health and moved to Jersey where he opened a tomato farm. I heard years later that he was being prosecuted for undervaluing collections. I don't know if this is true but it's what I heard.
Bob
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 5, 2013 2:15:15 GMT -8
No you don't need to delete the reply, it is just that we are talking about cake and you come in and tell us that the bakery at the corner has rolls on sale (for the price of a cake! I guess it depends on who owned the roll first), I hope you get what I mean. No offence intended. What we were talking about: www.wwb.co.uk/specimens-for-collectors/specimens-coppers |
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Post by bichos on Mar 5, 2013 3:09:50 GMT -8
It's al about the data!!!
I wonder if any of these are fabricated. I mean, it wouldn't be too difficult to do...
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sorry, i'll delete the reply........