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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 3:57:45 GMT -8
I must say from my own experiences, some of the female specimens of l dispar dispar that I have been fortunate to examine are larger than any other ssp I have seen and by quite a considerable margin, I myself bred out also a female of dispar batavus which was almost the same size as pieris napi, HUGE specimen.
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 9, 2013 5:08:13 GMT -8
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Mar 9, 2013 9:36:01 GMT -8
btw, does dispar occur in central Spain? when I go collecting there, all I see is phlaeas (very common) and rarely another species which I have yet to identify, thanks,
Quintin
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 9, 2013 10:04:28 GMT -8
The map that I posted says European distribution. Lycaena dispar is not known from Iberian Peninsula.
The other species you mention is either one of Lycaena virgaureae, L. hippothoe, L. alciphron, L. tityrus or with lots of luck L. bleusei (local species around Madrid). Note that L. alciphron and tityrus aren't really reddish.
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Mar 9, 2013 10:07:55 GMT -8
Well, I will show a pic in summer (the specimen is currently in Spain, in my grandparents' home), and will see if I can get more specimens, thanks,
Quintin
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Post by daveuk on Mar 17, 2013 4:42:15 GMT -8
Here are my pair of L dispar batavus from Woodwalton Fen. It was so good to hear/read Bill Bacon's name mentioned on this strand along with that of Paul Smart. I never met Paul but was lucky enough to have visited Bill at his home many times & in the process obtain an array of wonderful butterflies from him during the course of the 1980's & 1990's which formed the backbone of my collection. As you say Bill has now sadly retired but I have fond memories of experiencing wonderful hospitality from both Bill & his wife Ann on my many visits there. Bill's collection of Malaysian butterflies was a truly wondrous sight to behold. Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Mar 17, 2013 6:11:23 GMT -8
Hi Dave Nice A1 specimens. It is nice to hear that you knew Bill Bacon, his stand at Leicester was a must visit and he was always reliable in his mailing. I had some very good specimens from him and he had some of the first birdwings, such as O. goliath procus when they first first arrived in the U.K.
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Post by daveuk on Mar 17, 2013 7:32:47 GMT -8
I did actually buy a male O goliath procus from Bill in 1984 & still have it in the collection. Here is part of one of Bill's lists from 1985....now my eyes are drawn to the Papilio lampsacus for the princely sum of £7.50...needless to say I did not buy it & Bill does not mention it in his notes either-how times change. Attachments:
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Post by daveuk on Mar 17, 2013 7:34:22 GMT -8
Here is the second part of that list.. Happy days !! Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Mar 17, 2013 8:53:17 GMT -8
Dave Happy days indeed
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Post by daveuk on Mar 17, 2013 10:00:10 GMT -8
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Post by saturniidave on Mar 29, 2013 8:32:47 GMT -8
i wish I could find the reference (poor old brain is fried by drugs) but I did read that DNA sequencing has shown that dispar dispar and dispar batavus are genetically inseperable. I personally have seen many specimens of both subspecies and would defy anyone to tell the two apart without data. The land bridge between Europe and Britain was apparently a marshy plain and would have been ideal habitat for them, so I guess they were only separated when sea levels rose. I had three pairs, two in reasonable condition and one A- which I sold for £500 a few years back. The other two pairs are still in the collection which I sold last year. Regarding Paul Smart, I can't say I had much time for him either, I did visit the museum many years ago and dealt with Chris. I have heard that he eventually went totally mad and was kept in a secure facility under heavy sedation.
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Post by saturniidave on Mar 29, 2013 8:35:13 GMT -8
Oh, one other thing. It strikes me as odd that batavus at Wood Walton required a lot of care and reintroductions to maintain, but rutilus that were introduced to Tipperary maintained themselves unaided until the marsh they were on dried out and they eventually disappeared.
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Post by nomad on Jun 30, 2013 9:36:41 GMT -8
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Post by timmsyrj on Jul 1, 2013 10:55:16 GMT -8
Amazing collection, had to change my tee shirt after, soaked in drool.
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