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Post by saturniidave on Apr 6, 2013 17:41:16 GMT -8
Well I can see both side of the coin here. Yes there have undoubtedly been many 'creature' hoaxes, the Loch Ness Monster for one and the African Dinosaurs, but on the other hand I personally have experienced things I can't logically explain. I have seen a few UFO's (and I mean that in the literal sense, unexplained flying objects) but I would not say they were proof of extraterrestrials, and what you could call 'apparitions' also.
However, the Loch Ness Monster was known from 'compelling evidence' until the evidence was shown to be a hoax. Even the famous 'Surgeon's photograph' was eventually explained as a hoax. Saying that I have been to Loch Ness on many occasions and once I (and several others) did see a wake travelling up the loch with no apparent explanation for it. I have a photo somewhere.
That animals can lead a very secretive existence is beyond doubt, even large ones. Was not a new species of large deer discovered fairly recently? There ARE big cats in the U.K. regardless of what Dunc says, even the Forestry Commission has owned up to the fact that several of its wardens have seen them. There are two Mountain Lions in Kent right now, it is known where they came from and they are both female so they will not breed. I know people who have seen and described them to me, and shown me photos of footprints. They are all over the U.K. but at a very thinly spread population so they are rarely seen. I am certain they breed as they have been around for too long to be the same individuals, some types have even been shot here.
What I am saying is large mammals can live in a relatively populated area without being seen, so why not a large unknown ape? It is not beyond the realms of possibility.
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Post by nomihoudai on Apr 7, 2013 0:55:55 GMT -8
Don't make the blatant mistake of confusing 'not being seen by you' with 'not being seen by anybody'.
Every large mammal can be tracked down by some trained hunter. Every large mammal gets seen regularly by some people. Bigfoot on the other hand only occasionally appears to, how should you call them, ... individuals doubtable in objectivity ? (if we agree that a human can realize and observe objectivity). Until the day that there is somebody that tells you he can find bigfoot and shows them to anybody on request and shoots one bigfoot will remain a fairy tale.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 2:12:22 GMT -8
"There ARE big cats in the U.K. regardless of what Dunc says"
Wow, I seem to be getting the blame for all kinds of things this week without actually doing or saying anything, it was'nt my post it was Oliviers.
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Post by anthony on Apr 7, 2013 4:47:20 GMT -8
Here in Oregon we live less than 20 miles from a true bigfoot trap still maintained. About 3 years ago the paper did a story on the history and showed it being repaired. The cage sits on a farmer's land and supposedly a family of the creatures has occupied this area since ww2. The farmer said a large adult regularly comes to feed on fallen apples as the property contains a old orchard. So far nada, but the trap sits there.
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Post by rjb on Apr 7, 2013 5:43:13 GMT -8
It is a shame that the fellow who says bigfoot comes regularly does not set up some video cameras. In our local mountains, a group set up a couple constant video monitors. They've taped an amazing variety of fauna including mountain lions and bears. A bear noticed and tore down one camera, but the other camera recorded this. The fact that no one is interested in filming that guy's bigfoot suggests no one believes him.
Rick
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Post by wingedwishes on Apr 7, 2013 12:57:02 GMT -8
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Post by Chris Grinter on Apr 8, 2013 18:47:36 GMT -8
Just to share the find - took a TON of cleaning.  |
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Post by beetlehorn on Apr 9, 2013 5:05:34 GMT -8
Wow, Thats a nice skull. Im' wondering how you got it so clean, did you use bleach? I have some European mount deer heads, and would like to get the skull bone as white as you did with your bear skull. My two favorite activities are hunting insects during the summer, and hunting deer in the fall/winter. Both hobbies involve collecting specimens, or trophies, however you want to look at it. Tom
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Post by Chris Grinter on Apr 9, 2013 13:02:07 GMT -8
I did a cold-water maceration (one of the worst things you can smell, thankfully I had a locality to do it far from home) - carefully cleaned the bones, degreased in acetone for a few months, and bleached the heck out of it. Pipe cleaners work really well for the skull cavity, although I'm not an expert and broke a few of the nasal bones...
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Post by admin on Apr 9, 2013 13:05:02 GMT -8
Getting back on track with the subject matter at hand. Whenever I discuss the possibility of sasquatch being real, one question always arises....There are more gun owners in America than probably anywhere in the world, so if bigfoot really exists, then why has no-one ever shot one and presented it to the world? Their argument being that all the sightings are a hoax, therefore played out by some idiot in a suit. OK, I agree with that, but then you could ask....If there are so many idiots running around in remote areas wearing a bigfoot costume, why hasn't one of them been blown away by a hunter, or other gun toting individual? If there were 100 sightings, at least 50 of them would carry a gun here in America, especially during deer or bear hunting season. As far as I can tell, there are no reports of anyone ever being shot by someone who thought they "Saw Bigfoot!" No matter which "side of the fence" you are on, this has to be considered. Tom Good points! I have often wondered the same things. |
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Post by admin on Apr 9, 2013 13:20:49 GMT -8
Just to share the find - took a TON of cleaning. Wowza!!! You da Man to go to when a Bigfoot skull is found. |
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Post by saturniidave on Apr 10, 2013 17:59:26 GMT -8
Apologies to Dunc for the misquote. I must have had a senior moment there mate!  |
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Post by boghaunter1 on Apr 11, 2013 9:33:12 GMT -8
 Yes... acetone to degrease & hydrogen peroxide to whiten skulls... bleach is supposed to weaken the bone... I used h. p. & it is also used by "pros" (highly concentrated though)... checkout: www.skullsunlimited.com One interesting site for "boneheads"... haahaa...just kidding!! Need an exact replica Peruvian elongated skull... they have it! My 2 cents.... John K.
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Post by multicaudata on Jun 19, 2013 19:23:27 GMT -8
I would like to say that there are nearly identicaly stories of "hairy hominid" in almost all cultures the world over. The ones on Flores Island are obligingly tiny to match Homo floresiensis. The ones in Europe (dwarfs, trolls, etc) are man-like but very robust and heavily bearded, just like the Neanderthals that co-existed with humans on that continent for many years (and perhaps much more recently than some of the strict evolutionists would have us believe, if Medieval texts are anything to go by). These certainly do seem to have the ring of truth to them, since they match what we see in the fossil record. Bigfoot/Sasquatch fits right into the worldwide tradition of hairy hominids, very similar to Hibagon, Yeti, Almasti, Trolls, etc. If these things DID exist at some point in time, then why not still living in recent times? Being intelligent like us, they could probably evade capture or detection if they wanted to.
Don't even get me started on dragons and dinosaurs...
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Post by nomihoudai on Jun 20, 2013 0:01:34 GMT -8
There is also stories of Cynocephaly in a wide range of ages and cultures of the Old World. Of course none of these reports are true and I don't really get your point therefore.
Furthermore we live in an age where roughly 6% of all humanity, that ever existed in the flow of time, are alive at the very same moment. The average density of humans is roughly 47 per km² and the US is not too far from it with 34.2 per km². Humans have covered and rule most of the land masses, there is no place left to hide, no place where fancy magic is to be expected.
On a side note, you mentioned medieval texts. During these times people had a fair knowledge of the world, but still there was things unexplainable to them. The general idea that then first crossed their mind is to assign these unexplainable things to some entity, animal, that they haven't seen yet. For example trolls. In a world where physics hasn't been formulated yet it was easier to imagine something that could just disappear and become invisible, or in the case of trolls change to stone once it sees sunlight. These texts are nothing that a person living nowadays should take for reality. And going by your mentioning of dragons... there was huge bones scattered all around Europe during the middle ages, what else should you imagine other than a dragon killed by some glorious knight?
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Yes... acetone to degrease & hydrogen peroxide to whiten skulls... bleach is supposed to weaken the bone... I used h. p. & it is also used by "pros" (highly concentrated though)... checkout: 