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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 2:55:46 GMT -8
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 15, 2013 2:58:46 GMT -8
Saw 2 of them yesterday also in a Parisian collection.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:10:55 GMT -8
Does anyone know what year it became extinct.
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Post by panzerman on Apr 15, 2013 10:29:46 GMT -8
Good one Dunc! That is getting to be a very rare find. Some say its not extinct, others say it went the way of the Dodo bird back in the 1980s. John  |
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 15, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -8
It's not extinct.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:37:16 GMT -8
When was the last time it was seen in the wild.
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Post by nomad on Apr 15, 2013 11:01:21 GMT -8
 Great acquisition to your collection! Jan Pasternak mentions that Papilio lampsacus is not extinct and that it survives on Gunung Salak in West Java and he saw this species there in 1994. As a special protected area where a permit is needed to enter, I see no reason why this species may not still fly there. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 11:13:32 GMT -8
thanks Peter, does Jan Pasternak have any pictorial or other evidence to back up his claim?
I also got some atrophaneura rhodifer from the Andaman islands, I will post pics when I have respread them along with a pair of parides ascanius.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 15, 2013 11:33:27 GMT -8
Dunc,
Sounds like you have had a good shopping spree!
By the way, rhodifer is not an Atrophaneura, it is now placed in Genus Losaria along with coon, neptunus and palu. These species make up the sister genus to Pachliopta, and are not so closely related to Atrophaneura (nox, semperi, dixoni, priapus, aidoneus etc).
Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 12:00:25 GMT -8
Thanks Adam. Most of my time yesterday was spent on British rarities like our extinct large blue black viened white and other extreme rarities and variations I didn't spend much time on exotics this time.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 15, 2013 12:46:48 GMT -8
If you got rhodifer, ascanius and lampsacus you will have got enough exotics for one day. Sounds like your friend must have some interesting specimens.
Adam.
PS. I also don't believe lampsacus can be extinct, as I have mentioned in other threads.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 0:52:17 GMT -8
yes he does Adam, the British arion are outstanding that he has and a wonderful guy as well.
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Post by nomad on Apr 16, 2013 7:10:57 GMT -8
Hi dunc It seems you have been busy adding to your collection. I believe Jan spent quite a long time studying the Papilionidae in West And East Java. There are some interesting pictures of some of the species in his book ' Fluttering Encounters'. He did not photograph the Papilio lampsacus as I believe the butterfly that he saw flew uphill at quite a rate!! I find it very surprising that no lepidopterist has visited Gunung Salak or Gunung Gede to see what the status of P. lampsacus is there! Peter.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 16, 2013 7:52:29 GMT -8
I guess because of the difficulty to obtain LIPI permits and because most expeditions in Indonesia are driven to places where new species are still to be discovered (Taliabu, West Papua...).
The strangest thing is : "why Detani don't send anybody there"...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 7:53:38 GMT -8
It would be great if someone could find it. They found bhutanitis ludlowi after I think an 80 year abscence.
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Great acquisition to your collection! Jan Pasternak mentions that Papilio lampsacus is not extinct and that it survives on Gunung Salak in West Java and he saw this species there in 1994. As a special protected area where a permit is needed to enter, I see no reason why this species may not still fly there. 
