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Post by nomihoudai on May 12, 2013 0:36:33 GMT -8
Spoiler: You are not the only one on this planet.
In my country the original plant fauna is gone more or less and it would be great if people could re-establish again what they destroyed in the past.
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Post by wolf on May 12, 2013 0:50:24 GMT -8
Frankly, I found your third paragraph very offensive as this is stupid worthless work...planting weeds while we already have praries. Also, it is not necessary to insult me, but this just shows your maturity level lolololololol. This just shows your level of maturity... |
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Post by myotis on May 12, 2013 4:04:26 GMT -8
"but what good does that do me if I can't collect them??? As I said, NOONE can kick me out of there as it is PUBLIC property"
From what I know about many re-established prairies in my neck of the woods, most of them get planted and maintained by volunteers and conservation groups. It wasn't just open land that was left to it's own devices that a few people sporadically placed plants on public land that you can also just do as you please (I still would think that this is a bit more complex than just being "public land" and would suggest you dig deeper into it rather than risk getting in trouble) I would be willing to bet that those who established that prairie, which take a lot of work, are insulted when they see some using it as they please just because they feel entitled to it when they view it as someone potentially damaging their hard work. You seem to think that public is the key word and it entitles you do do as you please, which in some ways may be true but, trying not to sound to mean, you are showing great disrespect and ignorance toward others hard work (which I personally know re-establishing a prairie is) and equal opportunity to enjoy that space.
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Post by myotis on May 12, 2013 4:14:29 GMT -8
Forgot to add:
Don't get me wrong Quintin, It isn't like I don't think you have the right to be there and collect, I just think it would do you a world of good and make future insect collectors look better, if you did a little research about the "weeds" you are walking through, and look like you have respect for non-insect collectors rights to the beauty of that place too.
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Post by jshuey on May 12, 2013 6:28:46 GMT -8
I live in Illinois, and here in Urbana, we already have a large amount of prarie... I don't mind arguing this guy cause this is the only area that has butterflies and no ticks....every time I go to the already established praries, there are always ticks that cause lime disease.... Urbana is in the heart of the corn belt about three hours from where I live. I don't know what you are calling prairie, but trust me, you have at best a few hundred acres of original "mesic tallgrass prairie" in central Illinois. It is perhaps the most endangered habitat type in North America if not the World. If you are interested in insects - you had better learn how to deal with the hardships in the field. There are great repellants (permethrin comes to mind) that are very effective against ticks and chiggers. If you don't venture into habitats that have pests, you will never see anything very interesting. And yes, many of us have contracted occasional problems in the field - it's the price you pay to be a field biologist. I've had too many ticks, thousands of chiggers, Lyme disease and half a dozen botflies - and they were all worth it. Shuey |
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Post by pittendrighinsects on May 12, 2013 7:06:46 GMT -8
Wolf: You haven't contributed ANYTHING to this discussion and have the nerve to tell me off?
myotis: I didn't try to be rude or disrespectful, and I understand that here in America, many areas have been destroyed to create cornfields, BUT we already have two other prarie areas and, as this one has butterflies out right now, is public (and yes, that is the key word), and I try to be cautious not to step on any of these plants, I see no problem in catching some Papilio polyxenes and Colias philodice for myself ;D
Jshuey: I am not interested in getting Lyme disease to please some environmental nuts, but would be willing to risk it if this year, the older prarie where I collect had something. In previous years, I have caught there Battus philenor and Speyeria cybele and there were no ticks, but with such a strange year (in temps) there are no butterflies and only ticks, so I refuse to go back there...besides, my bike is broken and it is a shorter walk to the no-mow zone ;D
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Post by wolf on May 12, 2013 7:43:19 GMT -8
Wolf: You haven't contributed ANYTHING to this discussion and have the nerve to tell me off? You're wrong, i contributed my opinion. And tbh it doesn't seem you want any contribution anyway, since you clearly already made up your mind about the situation... |
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Post by pittendrighinsects on May 12, 2013 10:20:41 GMT -8
Wolf, you only contributed useless garbage, insulting me to gain what exactly??? Maybe try thinking things through before you type  So let me get this straight...you guys expect me to go over to the insectarium, get Lyme disease so to protect some plants? I refuse to do so...ohhh, and the reason that many third world countries are stripping so many of their resources away?...cause in many cases, people need to destroy the environment to eat and live... Quintin |
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Post by wolf on May 12, 2013 10:32:07 GMT -8
Wolf, you only contributed useless garbage, insulting me to gain what exactly??? Maybe try thinking things through before you type As I said, I'm just stating my opinions. If its garbage or not is highly subjective. And you are certainly not the person to be speaking loudly about thinking before writing. |
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Post by myotis on May 12, 2013 13:25:38 GMT -8
Quintin,
I find ticks to be a part of nature that you just have to deal with them. I hate to avoid my favorite activities just out of fear of getting Lyme disease. Good repellents do a good job, but a careful inspection after being out is the best. The land I use to put my sleeves out is loaded with them. As disgusting as it may seem, my worst day last year, I found 24 dog ticks and 2 deer ticks on me (0 were embedded) when I got home. I thought I read that, deer ticks have to be embedded for at least 24 hours to transmit Lyme disease. Actually my worst nemesis here (MN) is deer flies. They'll drive you mad.
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Post by pittendrighinsects on May 12, 2013 16:14:08 GMT -8
Hahahaha...you really think that I will go out and risk getting a very dangerous disease and some nasty parasites just to please some eco-freaks? As I said, this is your choice, and mine is to avoid them at all cost...now, think, what is more important, a field of weeds or my health? That's an easy one ;P
Quintin
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Post by papilio28570 on May 12, 2013 18:48:43 GMT -8
Fleas, ticks, deer flies, horseflies, chiggers, wolves, wild boar, wild dogs, bears, We even has tiny gnats ocals cal "no-see-ums". Timber rattlers, pigmy rattlers, canebrake rattlers, eastern diamondback rattlers, water moccasins and coral snakes. All of this and more awaits you in North Carolina.
Wear good leather boots and blouse your trousers to avoid ticks and chiggers. A wide brim hat keeps most deer flies on the hat and off your head and neck. Leather boots will protect against most snake bites.
Always be alert because while you are stalking that elusive forest butterfly, you may well be being stalked yourself.
I am a landscaper and carry several floral hanging baskets or large potted flower clusters in my truck. These can be set out along an area and lure butterflies to them. Space them out along a 100 meters stretch. Doesn't it always seem the good specimens are just on the other side of that large, uncrossable, roadside, muddy water filled ditch?
Could use the same technique along the edge of a fenced field, no mow zone, etc. Just takes a little thought and a small amount of preparation and everyone goes home happy.
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Post by WillM on May 12, 2013 20:49:35 GMT -8
Here in NC anyway, at many intersections along major highways there are plantings of shrubs, day lilies, poppies, etc and occasionally one sees signs stating "Do not mow" presumably to protect the planted areas. In such venues it would probably be imprudent to wander around with a net if only because passers-by would wonder who the hell is that but would it be illegal?
papilio 28570, here in the western part of the state we are lucky to just have copperheads and timber rattlers 8^)
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Post by wollastoni on May 13, 2013 0:00:33 GMT -8
2 words :
- if this "no-mow" zone is a "no-trespassing" zone, people in charge of it should clearly state it in order to avoid those problems.
- I would agree with Chris Grinter in this topic, the most important thing is to keep a good reputation for insect collectors. Quintin I advise you to make a collecting trip in the UK, you will then understand why it is so important...
Finally if this "no-mow zone" is in your neighbourhood quintin, I advise you to contact the people in charge of it and to help them make it thrive. Your knowledge in entomology could be useful to them and if they see you are constructive, they will for sure let you collect there.
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Post by jshuey on May 14, 2013 7:03:18 GMT -8
Hahahaha...you really think that I will go out and risk getting a very dangerous disease and some nasty parasites just to please some eco-freaks? As I said, this is your choice, and mine is to avoid them at all cost...now, think, what is more important, a field of weeds or my health? That's an easy one ;P Quintin My point - which I admit wasn't very clear - is that if you use permenone on your pants, socks and shoes, you won't get ticks - period. (or botflies or chiggers) Shuey |
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